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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Or is something there that some see and other's don't?

    AJ is simply noting that SOMETHING shattered those walls....seems to be a logical question...even children have asked that question and sometimes are not satisfied with /God made them fall'..they want to know how God made them fall..now that is where GOD and science sometimes agree...

    There is an explanation for the flood...there is an explanation for the fire and brimstone that fell on Sodom...God YES! But does that mean God did not cause some natural elements of His creation to manifest that way at that time?

    It is possible there was a combination of voice tones and the trumpets that CAUSED those walls to fall...that does not change the fact that they acted in sheer faith and obedience...for instance, they circled for days..was that necessary or was that needful for them to die to their flesh and doubt and unbelief and just become humbled to the point of total faith and obedience? maybe...maybe their march was a distraction to something structural that the people didn't see...

    God is not threatened by these questions...
    God uses many things but the focus is NEVER the thing.

    The new agers in the church are focusing on the thing, using frequencies as a means to heal, touch, connect, bypassing God. If you can get the correct frequency you can do things apart from God, that is the premise.

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    God uses many things but the focus is NEVER the thing.

    The new agers in the church are focusing on the thing, using frequencies as a means to heal, touch, connect, bypassing God. If you can get the correct frequency you can do things apart from God, that is the premise.
    That might be the premise of a new age believer, but I think it is possible to separate the "woo-woo" from the science. Some of these things are tools, like medicine is a tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Susan View Post
    That might be the premise of a new age believer, but I think it is possible to separate the "woo-woo" from the science. Some of these things are tools, like medicine is a tool.
    Oh yeah, I agreed with that earlier, it's wholly possible that sound waves, frequencies may have some therapeutic effect, a medicine. There is nothing particularly spiritual about medicines unless you are a witch doctor brewing up concoctions.

    BTW, frequencies, sounds, etc aren't really "new", we've been listening to radios, watching TV, for quite awhile. There are entire scientific fields related to these areas.

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    Christianity doesn't make room for vibrations, frequencies, etc, there just isn't a biblical defense of such things.

    These things do creep in unawares, be careful!

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Christianity doesn't make room for vibrations, frequencies, etc, there just isn't a biblical defense of such things.

    These things do creep in unawares, be careful!
    It doesn't make room for aspirin either. Actually, less room since it could as well be included under the Greek term pharmakeia from which we get pharmacy, pharmaceuticals etc. At least vibrations, frequencies etc aren't included under some derogatory term that could possibly refer to those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    It doesn't make room for aspirin either. Actually, less room since it could as well be included under the Greek term pharmakeia from which we get pharmacy, pharmaceuticals etc. At least vibrations, frequencies etc aren't included under some derogatory term that could possibly refer to those.
    There may be some merit to vibrations, frequencies etc for therapy, I don't doubt that, that would fall into the realm of the natural. This topic is about using vibrations, etc as a conduit to God, accessing His power.

    So, how can hearing a sound of a wind create such a unique chain reaction? Again, the answer is clear: a heavenly “sound” can create a heightened level of synesthesia that opens our senses to extreme encounters with the supernatural. As a result, we are enabled to experience God with every fiber of our being.
    Using frequencies and vibrations to connect with God is a defacto new age teaching.

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    carrying on with it.

    Catchy...you mentioned music therapy. That was my major my first 2 years of college. It really isn't about vibrations, and the music in and of itself, so much as it is about using the music to produce the correct behaviors....i.e. with autistic children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lista View Post
    carrying on with it.

    Catchy...you mentioned music therapy. That was my major my first 2 years of college. It really isn't about vibrations, and the music in and of itself, so much as it is about using the music to produce the correct behaviors....i.e. with autistic children.
    And so, in that, Lista, is it the notes, the tempo OR the vibrations that are released into the atmosphere and received by that child?

    That's kind of a rhetorical question, because, to me, it doesn't matter. It's the results, in this case, in the natural, but there still could be a spiritual component to it. Yes? No?

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    Quote Originally Posted by A.J. View Post
    And so, in that, Lista, is it the notes, the tempo OR the vibrations that are released into the atmosphere and received by that child?

    That's kind of a rhetorical question, because, to me, it doesn't matter. It's the results, in this case, in the natural, but there still could be a spiritual component to it. Yes? No?
    Mostly the effect that the music has on the psyche, I think. We are made to receive music as in melody. Sounds, vibrations, frequencies are not sufficient. When it becomes music then it has that effect. Irrespective of the key it is being played in, if we are talking about frequencies, for instance. Adding a really thunderous bass through a nearby loudspeaker may compound the effect of some types of music but it is still related to the music, perhaps pronouncing it further. The thunderous bass played with no music to go with it doesn't have the same effect.

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    Is there something "spiritual" to music ? Not intrinsically. But all of creation is made to reflect the glory of God, including music. Which means that it is easy for God to reveal himself through music, just as he may reveal himself when we experience nature, for instance. But this doesn't happen unless he moves by his Spirit to reveal himself through those things. God is spiritual, his sons and daughters are spiritual, the rest is just, well, creation.

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