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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Here is what Paul told the lawobserving Galatians :

    Gal 4:10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!
    11 I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.

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    Col 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
    17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
    And in context He was addressing the rituals of Judaism..there is a huge difference in them and clear directives of scripture..such as Jesus and Paul's clear statements regarding divorce..Colonel, you cannot come to truth by trying to mix apples and oranges..

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    You should be careful about how you perceive the Body of Christ.

    No one is in "bondage" to a denomination, that's just ridiculous.
    You haven't met some of the people in them I have then. In bondage to the concept and structure and anything outside of it is 'of the devil'. I'd say that's in 'bondage' to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    And in context He was addressing the rituals of Judaism..there is a huge difference in them and clear directives of scripture..such as Jesus and Paul's clear statements regarding divorce..Colonel, you cannot come to truth by trying to mix apples and oranges..
    I feel that you are just trying to evade me here. That's the thing Quest, you come across as having these points where you can depart quickly when pressed on certain matters. Anyway, 2 Cor 3:18 makes the ministry of the letter obsolete per definition :

    2 Cor 3:6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

    The passage includes the ten commandments (engraved in letters on stone) when it talks about "the letter" but it does not exclude anything, to the contrary it generalizes our ministry as one that is NOT according to the letter.

    Did you get that word there ? "not" ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    You haven't met some of the people in them I have then. In bondage to the concept and structure and anything outside of it is 'of the devil'. I'd say that's in 'bondage' to it.
    It's free will fuego, no one is held against their will, that was what I was trying to say.

    There is probably more spiritual weirdness going on in the "non-denominational" places, a superior mind set being the spring board for much of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    It's free will fuego, no one is held against their will, that was what I was trying to say.

    There is probably more spiritual weirdness going on in the "non-denominational" places, a superior mind set being the spring board for much of it.
    Well the bondage is actually in the mind, the system of thoughts (2 Cor. 10:3-5). So it's no different than one being in 'bondage' to Islam, etc (no not comparing it to Islam). The denominational structure is a 'system of thoughts' that strong emotion is attached to (which is an 'imagination') that has them in bondage to the denominational concept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    You should be careful about how you perceive the Body of Christ.



    No one is in "bondage" to a denomination, that's just ridiculous.
    so why are there millions of people who practice the rituals and lies of Catholicism..because God ordained them to? Why are there millions who adamantly reject the truth of the Holy Spirit baptism and God's power working today and have for generations? God ordained them to? Yea..no one is in bondage to denominations.

    I view the body of Christ the same way Corinthians states...are you saying denominational organizations were formed by CHRIST, the head of the body? So He designed divisive walls between Christians by calling some to be Baptist and some to be Methodist? So when Paul reprimanded believers for being divisive by saying I am of Paul or I am of Apollos..did I(Paul) die for you? he was not warning against divisive positioning? When Paul told the Ephesians to 'speak the same thing' He was not telling them to be sure to stay true to the one and only gospel message?

    OOOk..

    I don't feel my view of the body of Christ is in any danger or need for 'care'. In fact it is far closer to the NT model.

    When denominational leaders stop being more concerned about their little kingdoms and come together to unite the body of Christ globally we will see the church returning to what it should have been..determined to come in unity of the truth no matter what, like they were at the Jerusalem summit...but no, I am not holding my breath on that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Well the bondage is actually in the mind, the system of thoughts (2 Cor. 10:3-5). So it's no different than one being in 'bondage' to Islam, etc (no not comparing it to Islam). The denominational structure is a 'system of thoughts' that strong emotion is attached to (which is an 'imagination') that has them in bondage to the denominational concept.
    Exactly...hard to believe John though I was speaking of something akin to slavery..

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Well the bondage is actually in the mind, the system of thoughts (2 Cor. 10:3-5). So it's no different than one being in 'bondage' to Islam, etc (no not comparing it to Islam). The denominational structure is a 'system of thoughts' that strong emotion is attached to (which is an 'imagination') that has them in bondage to the denominational concept.
    Yeah, I get that but I think we can go overboard in characterizing all differences as deficiencies. We are part of a many membered Body, no individual or group carries the full expression of Christ. So, we may be looking at the foot with disdain when in reality (spritual), we need that stinky thing.

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    Strongholds of the mind through submitting the will to organizational leaders...bondage to denominations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Yeah, I get that but I think we can go overboard in characterizing all differences as deficiencies. We are part of a many membered Body, no individual or group carries the full expression of Christ. So, we may be looking at the foot with disdain when in reality (spritual), we need that stinky thing.
    They should ALL carry the full expression of Christ..that was HIS intent...not that we are divided and splintered and locked into deceptions.

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