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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I'm getting the impression in several different threads that you are often quite hung up on the letter of scripture, Quest.

    I do believe that the scriptures are inerrant and are our foundation for all truth..not human reasoning. Maybe you view that as the 'letter'. I don't. Here is why..when the scriptures speak of the letter of the LAW they are addressing the issue NOT connecting with the voice of the Spirit that dictated the scriptures. For instance, thou shale not commit murder...If I don't murder someone physically I have adhered to the letter but if I hate them in my HEART I am still guilty. So the LETTER is not wrong, nor is adhering to it. What is wrong is not allowing it to penetrate and change my HEART. I assume you are referring again to the TD jakes thread so I will use that as an example also. A person can NOT divorce and they are adhering to the letter..not wrong, just incomplete. If they understand God's love and power to intervene in the lives of those who didligently seek Him then they can go deeper and not only keep the letter or the RULE, they can now keep it from the heart.
    So while I do believe the scriptures are definite on certain issues I believe that our God who is love has a far deeper intent when He made that definitive declaration.

    Another example...Forgive those who despitefully use you...now the letter of that is that we are TOLD to forgive. Some never get past that and 'try' to do the impossible..they forgive mentally and in obedience but their heart does not follow. The SPIRIT of that definitive instruction is to allow HIM to take us to a far deeper understanding of grace..grace extended because grace was given..

    I am quite hung up on obedience through faith that produces revelation and transformation...That is not the letter vs the spirit but the letter that produces the revelation of the spirit..


    This time it's divides on doctrines according to the letter. The life that is able to flow through everything is more important than most doctrines are. As an example, some Oneness Pentecostals are very hung up on the sanctity of their oneness doctrine and in shunning others they become quite heretical in their approach to their doctrine (I'm talking extreme examples here, I've seen them on other sites) while with others it boils down to nothing much to argue about and life and fellowship may flow. Even Catholics can be a bit like that, it depends what they choose to emphasize.
    Actually you just made my point...

    As an example, some Oneness Pentecostals are very hung up on the sanctity of their oneness doctrine and in shunning others they become quite heretical in their approach to their doctrine (I'm talking extreme examples here, I've seen them on other sites) while with others it boils down to nothing much to argue about and life and fellowship may flow. Even Catholics can be a bit like that, it depends what they choose to emphasize.
    The life that is able to flow through everything is more important than most doctrines are
    Funny you should accuse me of dividing with doctrinal letter when in fact I have been emphasizing that is what DENOMINATIONS do...I actually mentioned NO doctrines...rather that in order to continue to grow in the truth we must NOT allow doctrinal walls erected by denominations to dictate our beliefs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lista View Post
    So Quest...what I'm hearing you say is that you're not against a particular denomination per se, but that you believe that there should be unity in the body of Christ? No barriers of denominations? no "my sheep", "your sheep" mentality, but "God's sheep"?

    EXACTLY..

    I think if we lived in a Utopian society that would be ideal, and I think when we reach Heaven that will be realized, BUT we're here on earth. Man seems to need parameters in order to feel "safe". We try to find the denomination that most fits our view of what the "church" should be, and we stay within those limitations. For most of us it's really hard to let go of those rules, and embrace another denomination because that means we might have been "wrong" in our previous beliefs.
    I don't think Utopia is necessary...when we look at the NT we see clear warnings to THE church not to do that..so God through the Holy Spirit is telling us how NOT to go that way...Yes some will, yes even many will and have...but we are warned not to so as individuals we are obligated to be very careful we don't fall in that trap or let Holy Spirit reveal if we already have..

    You are right that it's hard for us to move and change and it is especially hard for pastors and teachers...often their income is also involved...it's a bondage that denominationalism causes..

    The answer is to just allow ourselves to flow in the love of God and understand that His kingdom and our part in THAT work is all that matters and that these denominational ties are not HIS design...so breaking them is a good thing..

    He leads us to gatherings to serve learn and share...not to denominational structures to commit to them..

    I believe it's a mistake to commit to an organization...to take a vow to a doctrinal structure...

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    1 Corinthians 12:18-20 But in fact God has placed the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. If they were all one part, where would the body be? As it is, there are many parts, but one body.

    You may see denominations but He doesn't.
    He doesn't and neither should we but many do...that was my point..why else would people stay locked into false doctrine? We know the Holy Spirit wants to lead them to ALL truth..yet there are those that stay locked in for generations...

    To me denominations tend to look like little man made religious kingdoms..

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    So the LETTER is not wrong, nor is adhering to it.
    Jesus thought otherwise in relation to the showbread and the Sabbath. The Sabbath commandment, though one of the ten commandments, has actually been made completely obsolete according to the letter, in the new covenant.

    How does this relate to denominations ? Well the more letter oriented they become the greater the divide becomes, typically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    He doesn't and neither should we but many do...that was my point..why else would people stay locked into false doctrine? We know the Holy Spirit wants to lead them to ALL truth..yet there are those that stay locked in for generations...

    To me denominations tend to look like little man made religious kingdoms..
    That's you I suppose.

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    Thank God for denominations! They are a tremendous blessing to the Kingdom of God. Those who oppose them are full of baloney. God has formed many of these denoms. They were born in revival, in prayer meetings. God uses men to form follow His directions. Sure men are involved. But they are godly men full of the Holy Ghost and obedient to His commands.

    Praise the Lord for godly Denominations!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Jesus thought otherwise in relation to the showbread and the Sabbath. The Sabbath commandment, though one of the ten commandments, has actually been made completely obsolete according to the letter, in the new covenant.

    How does this relate to denominations ? Well the more letter oriented they become the greater the divide becomes, typically.
    Nope..He did not change the SABBATH or tell them not to keep it...He merely corrected their hearts on the WHY of it...

    I gave at least two other examples of 'the letter' not changing but the spirit being clarified...

    If I didn't know better I would think you are giving the nod to disobey scripture? Or that scripture is not our inerrant foundation? Surely you know what God says about leaning to our OWN understanding rather than submitting to His word in faith?

    Anyway...we are members of ONE body and that BODY only has ONE Head..Jesus and Jesus does not raise up one denomination to teach one thing and another to teach something different...that's man's doing...period..and the BODY members should not come into bondage to these man made entities..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
    Thank God for denominations! They are a tremendous blessing to the Kingdom of God. Those who oppose them are full of baloney. God has formed many of these denoms. They were born in revival, in prayer meetings. God uses men to form follow His directions. Sure men are involved. But they are godly men full of the Holy Ghost and obedient to His commands.

    Praise the Lord for godly Denominations!
    Those who oppose them are full of baloney.

    OR free to grow in truth..Revival did not birth denominations....denominations were man's effort to pkg and sell what the SPIRIT did...God wanted the revivals to continue in revelation and evangelism..instead they were stopped and walled into an organization often built around some man or group of men that God WAS using..the results of the revivals diminishing is the proof..when man pkged it for profit God stopped flowing...and the revival died..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Nope..He did not change the SABBATH or tell them not to keep it...He merely corrected their hearts on the WHY of it...

    I gave at least two other examples of 'the letter' not changing but the spirit being clarified...

    If I didn't know better I would think you are giving the nod to disobey scripture? Or that scripture is not our inerrant foundation? Surely you know what God says about leaning to our OWN understanding rather than submitting to His word in faith?

    Anyway...we are members of ONE body and that BODY only has ONE Head..Jesus and Jesus does not raise up one denomination to teach one thing and another to teach something different...that's man's doing...period..and the BODY members should not come into bondage to these man made entities..
    Here is what Paul told the lawobserving Galatians :

    Gal 4:10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!
    11 I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.

    More specifically :

    Col 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
    17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Nope..He did not change the SABBATH or tell them not to keep it...He merely corrected their hearts on the WHY of it...

    I gave at least two other examples of 'the letter' not changing but the spirit being clarified...

    If I didn't know better I would think you are giving the nod to disobey scripture? Or that scripture is not our inerrant foundation? Surely you know what God says about leaning to our OWN understanding rather than submitting to His word in faith?

    Anyway...we are members of ONE body and that BODY only has ONE Head..Jesus and Jesus does not raise up one denomination to teach one thing and another to teach something different...that's man's doing...period..and the BODY members should not come into bondage to these man made entities..
    You should be careful about how you perceive the Body of Christ.

    1 Corinthians 12:5-6 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.
    No one is in "bondage" to a denomination, that's just ridiculous.

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