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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Usefulness was certainly God's agenda...organizing under a man made denominational corporation was not..One reason I love this forum..we can challenge each other out of those man made molds to a higher place in TRUTH...people who stay locked into their denominations and only listen to like minded believers don't have that..
    All organizational structure that isn't given directly by God either in scripture or through direct personal revelation is not "manmade" in the sense that it is opposed to or obstructs the work of the Spirit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    All organizational structure that isn't given directly by God either in scripture or through direct personal revelation is not "manmade" in the sense that it is opposed to or obstructs the work of the Spirit.
    I think there needs to be a distinguishing between gathering organization and DENOMINATIONS. All the NT churches had leadership but the driving message of Paul was to keep the mindset that we are ONE body and Paul said we should all say the same thing...come into agreement on Biblical truth...

    Interesting thing...all these denominational splinters, t my knowledge did not start until what...the 1700's?

    If they organized for service, great but that was NOT what they did...they split on doctrinal issues and became little separate religious structures..

    I believe the Charismatic movement was God's move to sweep away these walls...man put up.

    Remember I am not talking about 'organizing'. That is NT..denominational walls was not...

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    Okay but with non-denominational churches the theological splinter may be between each church and even each believer, meaning there is no unity at all. An extreme case would be a church where half the congregation hates half of what the pastor teaches. If they go somewhere else then it's the same there, just a different set of doctrines. But they all like the music at least.

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    I just read an article that essentially said that in 1517 when Luther posted the thesis that the protestant movement began..1529. This movement is defined this way in the article..

    "It was during this year that the "Protestation" was published by German princes who wanted the freedom to choose the faith of their territory. They called for individual interpretation of Scripture and religious freedom."

    Interesting...this sounds RIGHT doesn't it...and yet Paul taught just the opposite and Timothy states the scriptures are not for private interpretation...One God, One savor Jesus, and one Holy Spirit...and ALL are subject to THEM...Yet we see that in denominational organizations while they all claim that, the fact is they don't..

    Makes one wonder if God intended to and has called Apostles to lead HIS church that are rejected by these various mainstream denominations that all have their own apostles that all agree with their particular interpretation? Surely God has not called His apostles to divide the body? Which ones are really God called? Which ones are really sold out to the truth...well each one says THEIRS are...

    The body of Christ IMHO is hearing the wind and removing the chains by seeking HIM first...denominations are seeing a steady decline but not s sure the body of Christ is declining..hopefully it's just starting to flow again...

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    I'm getting the impression in several different threads that you are often quite hung up on the letter of scripture, Quest. This time it's divides on doctrines according to the letter. The life that is able to flow through everything is more important than most doctrines are. As an example, some Oneness Pentecostals are very hung up on the sanctity of their oneness doctrine and in shunning others they become quite heretical in their approach to their doctrine (I'm talking extreme examples here, I've seen them on other sites) while with others it boils down to nothing much to argue about and life and fellowship may flow. Even Catholics can be a bit like that, it depends what they choose to emphasize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Okay but with non-denominational churches the theological splinter may be between each church and even each believer, meaning there is no unity at all. An extreme case would be a church where half the congregation hates half of what the pastor teaches. If they go somewhere else then it's the same there, just a different set of doctrines. But they all like the music at least.
    Yes...the truth is that divisions are inevitable and again I point to Paul...when people don't focus on allowing love and unity to trump ego and their own agendas they will splinter off...that's why I believe the genuine body of Christ is still a Spirit led organism that resists the bondages of man made boundaries and belief structures.

    I may disagree with you but if we agree to love and seek God for the truth that is singular you and I know eventually we will MEET at that truth...but we seek UNITY in LOVE first and foremost..while in faith trusting Holy Spirit to bring us into TRUTH unity by revelation...once we decide to SPLIT we have driven a wedge between us that will almost certainly stunt both our growth.

    Denominations are WALLS...and even though many in the body walk through those walls unbound by them..I tend to believe far more don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Yes...the truth is that divisions are inevitable and again I point to Paul...when people don't focus on allowing love and unity to trump ego and their own agendas they will splinter off...that's why I believe the genuine body of Christ is still a Spirit led organism that resists the bondages of man made boundaries and belief structures.

    I may disagree with you but if we agree to love and seek God for the truth that is singular you and I know eventually we will MEET at that truth...but we seek UNITY in LOVE first and foremost..while in faith trusting Holy Spirit to bring us into TRUTH unity by revelation...once we decide to SPLIT we have driven a wedge between us that will almost certainly stunt both our growth.

    Denominations are WALLS...and even though many in the body walk through those walls unbound by them..I tend to believe far more don't.
    Okay, that made more sense to me.

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    So Quest...what I'm hearing you say is that you're not against a particular denomination per se, but that you believe that there should be unity in the body of Christ? No barriers of denominations? no "my sheep", "your sheep" mentality, but "God's sheep"?


    I think if we lived in a Utopian society that would be ideal, and I think when we reach Heaven that will be realized, BUT we're here on earth. Man seems to need parameters in order to feel "safe". We try to find the denomination that most fits our view of what the "church" should be, and we stay within those limitations. For most of us it's really hard to let go of those rules, and embrace another denomination because that means we might have been "wrong" in our previous beliefs.

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    Okay, that made more sense to me.
    Agree, Quest and Colonel!

    As I was reading. it was coming to me that much of the problem in the church, whether denominational or non, is the wheat must grow up with the tares.

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    1 Corinthians 12:18-20 But in fact God has placed the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. If they were all one part, where would the body be? As it is, there are many parts, but one body.

    You may see denominations but He doesn't.

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