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    Hillary Clinton's Pastor's Book Pulled From Shelves for Plagiarism


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    He apologized...Time to let it go and move on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valiant Woman View Post
    He apologized...Time to let it go and move on.
    I suppose, but really, what was he thinking? We learn in elementary school not to copy directly out of books. Here he is, well schooled, middle aged, a pastor, and must be kind of well known. Did he really believe his work wouldn't be scrutinized, ESPECIALLY with HRC's name on it. So it leaves me wondering, just how trustworthy is a pastor who will do something like that? Is it a pattern or a one time slip up? Was it a get rich quick scheme, putting HRC's name on it?

    Leaves me shaking my head.

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    I've always thought plagiarism was blown way out of proportion. You'd think somebody that plagiarized had committed mass murder or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    I've always thought plagiarism was blown way out of proportion. You'd think somebody that plagiarized had committed mass murder or something.


    True. But it is definitely a form of lying and theft, taking someone work and calling it your own. If you spent months and blood, sweat and tears writing a book and in a couple years find it on the shelf with someone else's name on it, wouldn't you feel like you'd been stabbed in the heart?

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    Quote Originally Posted by A.J. View Post


    True. But it is definitely a form of lying and theft, taking someone work and calling it your own. If you spent months and blood, sweat and tears writing a book and in a couple years find it on the shelf with someone else's name on it, wouldn't you feel like you'd been stabbed in the heart?
    See what I mean? "...wouldn't you feel like you'd been stabbed in the heart?" You proved my point. You'd think they'd committed murder or something.

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    I wondered too AJ but this link explains it a little better. The book is a compilation of emails he sent her during the campaign and a lot of them were inspired by other folk that he gave credit to...but he missed this one guy:


    ...Mary Catherine Dean, Abingdon Press's editor in chief, said, "'Strong For A Moment Like This' is a heavily annotated work, in which Rev. Shillady has credited more than 200 sources. We worked with Rev. Shillady to faithfully cite all of the many contributors to the devotionals."

    Dean said she has accepted Shillady's explanation that the lack of citation for Deuel's work was an oversight.

    "His failure to attribute portions of the November 9 devotional does not change the fact that the 365 passages in the book were sent to Hillary Clinton, are part of the historical record of her campaign, and gave her the inspiration to stay strong."...

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/politi...or-plagiarism/

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    See what I mean? "...wouldn't you feel like you'd been stabbed in the heart?" You proved my point. You'd think they'd committed murder or something.
    Which was exactly why I used that wording.


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    Quote Originally Posted by krystian View Post
    I wondered too AJ but this link explains it a little better. The book is a compilation of emails he sent her during the campaign and a lot of them were inspired by other folk that he gave credit to...but he missed this one guy:


    ...Mary Catherine Dean, Abingdon Press's editor in chief, said, "'Strong For A Moment Like This' is a heavily annotated work, in which Rev. Shillady has credited more than 200 sources. We worked with Rev. Shillady to faithfully cite all of the many contributors to the devotionals."

    Dean said she has accepted Shillady's explanation that the lack of citation for Deuel's work was an oversight.

    "His failure to attribute portions of the November 9 devotional does not change the fact that the 365 passages in the book were sent to Hillary Clinton, are part of the historical record of her campaign, and gave her the inspiration to stay strong."...

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/politi...or-plagiarism/
    Ok, that makes sense. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    I've always thought plagiarism was blown way out of proportion. You'd think somebody that plagiarized had committed mass murder or something.

    In Hillary's pastors case he wasn't deliberately trying to plagiarise so he needs to be given a pass to his motives and mistakes.

    It is possible to make genuine mistakes and in one sense we all 'plagiarise' as things we read earlier we can say and write down and then claim them as our own.

    We can honestly forget and I don't see that as the crime of plagiarism.

    If we are writing a book and making money and a major publisher is involved there is a onus to make sure we acknowledge every source.

    Sometimes mistakes are made and we don't want to be legalistic in judging people

    As you said it's not murder but as AJ wrote it is stealing and lying if a author DELIBERATELY does this ....it reveals a deceitful nature and it needs to be exposed.

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