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Ezekiel 33 (06-29-2017), GodismyJudge (06-28-2017), Valiant Woman (06-28-2017)
Question: why does it have to be to "thousands of others"? Right now I'm listening to someone on YT give commentary on Fred Jr's situation, and a lot of what this person is saying makes sense (even if this person has a root of bitterness against "church", which IMO he has) BUT...basically this person is saying that the whole "restoration" process as practiced by a lot of charismatic/pente churches is a sham...Someone on this forum (might have been Archbishop Twinkles, I'm not sure ) said in essence, these folk (pastors, ministry leaders) that have had 'personal misjudgements' (SIN) in their lives don't need to return to a pulpit after being "restored" (who exactly determines that anyway?) but go flip burgers somewhere and focus on serving God in their own sphere of influence.
Over the years we've seen a lot of public "fall from graces"...we've roasted these persons on the forum ad nauseum... I for one really don't care if these people get back on the same level they were before "their fall from grace", but as long as they are truly repentant and not trying to regain whatever "glory" or pedestal people place them on, then I pray they do well.
here's the video I was watching (there is a Part one but it was basically the clip Krystian posted)
When your praise match your prayers, the answer will come.
https://www.facebook.com/Valiant-Wom...1103844642026/
I shut this clown down after he called Price Sr. an "arrogant pri**." There's nothing he has to say that I'm interested in. Sorry excuse for a man IMO...I say man because surely he's not a brother in the Lord, so his opinion means absolutely nothing. He needs to get saved because his opinion won't mean anything on Judgment Day.
When your praise match your prayers, the answer will come.
https://www.facebook.com/Valiant-Wom...1103844642026/
BAP (06-30-2017), Ezekiel 33 (06-29-2017), victoryword (06-28-2017)
Christ's Victory Bible Teaching Center
Web site: http://www.cvbibleteachingcenter.org
Vindicating God Ministries
(A Unique New Bible Teaching Ministry)
Web site: http://www.vindicatinggod.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/vindicatinggod
Gab: https://gab.com/victoriousword
Minds: https://www.minds.com/victoriousword/
MeWe: https://mewe.com/i/troyedwards15
BAP (06-30-2017), Ezekiel 33 (06-29-2017), Valiant Woman (06-28-2017)
I do not with 100% accuracy know what this man did. But it must have been major to resign a mega-church. You have to admit that most of these situations are stemming from these two sins. They are usually sins that are intertwined. You may think I am wrong, but just observe and see if I am not right. I have seen it happen to many preachers. What a disgrace and shame on the Name of God.
BTW, I have no bitterness against the church or preachers. I have a love and high respect for both.
Last edited by Nikos; 06-29-2017 at 10:57 AM.
I don't think that that was either TT's or my concern. My concern is that a damaged reputation may hinder the minister from continuing to minister effectively even if there is full restoration. We both were concerned that the repentance itself may be a sham, making the restoration a sham. For instance the "find young woman, divorce old wife, go through restoration while courting young woman, finish restoration and marry young woman and go back on the pulpit" thing that seems to happen here and there. Which is basically a matter of waiting out the restoration process and it seems to never result in repenting as in admitting being tempted into divorce by the appearance of the new flame then having the original marriage restored.
FaithfulOne (06-28-2017)
Never said you were wrong. You could be 100% right but since there is no concrete evidence then there is no basis for judging FPJ's motives for resigning a mega church. Some senior pastors have resigned from mega-churches due to DEPRESSION and not so much immorality. One man resigned a mega-church because the leaders that worked along with him stifled him from other projects meant to reach the lost and hurting. Feeling that he could not reach more he became dissatisfied and resigned.
Not everyone is caught up in the "glory" of being a mega-church pastor nor does everyone resigned based on immorality. But even if the case happens to be immoral, we should love and pray for him whether he pastors a megachurch or a small church. The body of Christ must stop shooting its wounded, regardless of their prominence, and begin to pray for one another. As Jimmy Swaggart once said, the Christian army is the only army that shoots its own wounded.
Christ's Victory Bible Teaching Center
Web site: http://www.cvbibleteachingcenter.org
Vindicating God Ministries
(A Unique New Bible Teaching Ministry)
Web site: http://www.vindicatinggod.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/vindicatinggod
Gab: https://gab.com/victoriousword
Minds: https://www.minds.com/victoriousword/
MeWe: https://mewe.com/i/troyedwards15
Valiant Woman (06-28-2017)
FaithfulOne (06-28-2017)
I am sure that it will but only God and those who assist in the restoration process can determine if there is true repentance. Those of us not involved should only pray if we are concerned. If we are not concerned and won't pray we should at least refrain from speculating about what a person's sin is (if we don't know) and whether or not the person has truly repented. With the same measure that we judge others it will be measured to us again.
Christ's Victory Bible Teaching Center
Web site: http://www.cvbibleteachingcenter.org
Vindicating God Ministries
(A Unique New Bible Teaching Ministry)
Web site: http://www.vindicatinggod.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/vindicatinggod
Gab: https://gab.com/victoriousword
Minds: https://www.minds.com/victoriousword/
MeWe: https://mewe.com/i/troyedwards15
curly sue (06-28-2017), FaithfulOne (06-28-2017), GodismyJudge (06-28-2017), Valiant Woman (06-28-2017)