Seventh-Day Adventist World Church Vote Statement on Transgender

**Colonel** · 04-15-2017, 04:45 PM

Lev 9:23 And Moses and Aaron went into the tabernacle of meeting, and came out and blessed the people. Then the glory of the Lord appeared to all the people,
24 and fire came out from before the Lord and consumed the burnt offering and the fat on the altar. When all the people saw it, they shouted and fell on their faces.

God was present in the tabernacle in a glory cloud. The priests presented the prescribed offering and fire went out from the glory cloud and consumed the offering.

Lev 10:1 Then Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, each took his censer and put fire in it, put incense on it, and offered profane fire before the Lord, which He had not commanded them.
2 So fire went out from the Lord and devoured them, and they died before the Lord.

Again God was present in the tabernacle in a glory cloud. The priests presented an improper offering and fire went out from the glory cloud and consumed the men and they died.

There's no difference, it's the same fire coming from the same glory cloud containing the presence of the same holy God. God all of a sudden employing Satan as a stand in when he sees that an improper offering is being made so that Satan can do his "dirty work" for him, now that would be pretty crazy.

**Valiant Woman** · 04-16-2017, 01:58 AM

Yes, I see that now. I met a young man several years ago while our Street Evangelism Team were witnessing and he was SDA, and wanted to argue with me about Saturday Church attendance. As I was explaining to Him that it doesn't matter to God what day we gather, he was insistent that we must have service on Saturday. I finally had to move on because he wouldn't be convinced otherwise. I'd never met an SDA before that and was a little puzzled by his admonitions. Thanks for the synopsis VW.

Originally Posted by victoryword

Oh Val, I have learned a lot over the years of reading their material and fellowshipping with them. Just like Baptists and Pentecostals, there is no "one size fits all". For example, you know that most Pentecostals are Trinitarian (believe that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three person but one God). But you do have the One-ness (or "Jesus Only") Pentecostals. Baptists are divided into numerous categories but you have Arminian, Calvinist and Liberal Baptists (some of them deny the deity of Christ).

Well, you have much of the same going on with the SDA. Some are Liberal and some are conservative. Some are legalistic and some are grace. Some believe the Trinity and others are close to being like Jehovah Witnesses in their theology.

Their main source of Bible interpretation is Ellen G. White. Some put her writings on the same level as inspired Scripture. Some of them refer to her writings as "the Spirit of Prophecy" (meaning that the Holy Spirit was speaking thru her). For some, this places her statements on a level of infallibility that cannot be questioned. Most of my friends in the SDA believe that her writings are only "commentary" though I have had some discussions with ONE people who wanted to convince me that her stuff is equal to Scripture.

Some are strict legalistic holiness, some are grace filled holiness (like most of us here), and some are loose liberals. Almost all of the ones I know believe that Jesus is the only way to salvation, but some add legalistic requirements such as Sabbath worship.

They ALL hold to the belief that Saturday is the day for church services (some believe that this is a requirement for heaven and others like the ones I consider friends balk at that idea though they still think Saturday is the most Scriptural day), soul-sleep after death and annihilation after resurrection for those who rejected Christ (one of those things I wish were true but my study of Scripture over the years as well as the numerous testimonies of those who visited Heaven and hell cannot allow me to accept that position), and strict vegetarianism.

Perhaps I can give a summation of what I have learned about my Baptists friends

**Nikos** · 04-18-2017, 09:48 PM

The Colonel has made some good points.

**victoryword** · 04-20-2017, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Valiant Woman

Yes, I see that now. I met a young man several years ago while our Street Evangelism Team were witnessing and he was SDA, and wanted to argue with me about Saturday Church attendance. As I was explaining to Him that it doesn't matter to God what day we gather, he was insistent that we must have service on Saturday. I finally had to move on because he wouldn't be convinced otherwise. I'd never met an SDA before that and was a little puzzled by his admonitions. Thanks for the synopsis VW.

You are welcome Val

**Colonel** · 04-20-2017, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Nikos

The Colonel has made some good points.

Right !

**Cardinal TT** · 04-20-2017, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Nikos

The Colonel has made some good points.

I agree he does make good points and I want to make that clear because we are currently disagreeing on another topic and just in case
people think we mostly disagree when in reality I mostly agree with his comments

That was a mouthful

**Nikos** · 04-21-2017, 01:24 PM

I also want to thank Val for her insights. She is always so kind and courteous to me!

**Jonathan david** · 04-26-2017, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by Valiant Woman

Yes, I see that now. I met a young man several years ago while our Street Evangelism Team were witnessing and he was SDA, and wanted to argue with me about Saturday Church attendance. As I was explaining to Him that it doesn't matter to God what day we gather, he was insistent that we must have service on Saturday. I finally had to move on because he wouldn't be convinced otherwise. I'd never met an SDA before that and was a little puzzled by his admonitions. Thanks for the synopsis VW.

Hehe, yeah, I am familiar with "the arguer" types of people. 2 minutes into the conversation after church, they want to get into the ring for a UFC (not United Fellowship of Christians) theology fight.

I have developed some tactics to shut these type of people down, sparing me from some long-drawn out battle, as though they think they are promoting the Body of Christ with their onerous "Nick the Knower" attitudes. I expect my after-church discussions to be positive and edifying fellowship and just won't put up with this type of immaturity.

**Colonel** · 04-28-2017, 02:16 AM

Mat 25:41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels"

Does it say "I will allow you to depart from me", "I will allow someone to take you from me", "into the everlasting fire prepared by the devil and his angels" ? Nope. This is a simple matter of "rightfully dividing the word of truth".

**Cardinal TT** · 04-28-2017, 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by Colonel

Mat 25:41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels"

Does it say "I will allow you to depart from me", "I will allow someone to take you from me", "into the everlasting fire prepared by the devil and his angels" ? Nope. This is a simple matter of "rightfully dividing the word of truth".

Should that be in the other thread about Gods anger toward sin

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