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    Quote Originally Posted by Valiant Woman View Post
    I remember reading the story on CCC way back in the early 2000's. When accusations of this kind are made against the Church, then whoever makes them shouldn't be afraid to name names. Why all the secrecy as to who these preachers are? And it's always directed against Charismatic and WOF preachers.

    At least men like Hank Hanegraff aren't afraid to name the preachers they believe are false teachers. I don't care for his propaganda and false assertions, but I can respect that he's not afraid to name those whose doctrine he despised or disagrees with.
    First I take Hank Hanegraff with a HUGE grain of salt. Second if you would like I could tell you some stories first hand that I was involved in where this kind of stuff happened. Third I don't name names mainly for liable and defamation of character lawsuits even tho what happened happened. When I was in radio I could tell you some really good stories of famous televangelists I had encounters with. THE problem here is pastors who function in the matter of the story above are not held accountable to the church and thus come across as arrogant, caustic, and lords over the body of Christ. I won't put up with it myself....

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheeze View Post
    First I take Hank Hanegraff with a HUGE grain of salt. Second if you would like I could tell you some stories first hand that I was involved in where this kind of stuff happened. Third I don't name names mainly for liable and defamation of character lawsuits even tho what happened happened. When I was in radio I could tell you some really good stories of famous televangelists I had encounters with. THE problem here is pastors who function in the matter of the story above are not held accountable to the church and thus come across as arrogant, caustic, and lords over the body of Christ. I won't put up with it myself....
    Once ministers attain "God's anointed" status they find room for character flaws and improper conduct etc inside of that status where they find themselves beyond scrutiny, since noone is to "touch God's anointed". The damage the resulting "Wizards of Oz" do to the body of Christ has been substantial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valiant Woman View Post
    I remember reading the story on CCC way back in the early 2000's. When accusations of this kind are made against the Church, then whoever makes them shouldn't be afraid to name names. Why all the secrecy as to who these preachers are? And it's always directed against Charismatic and WOF preachers.

    At least men like Hank Hanegraff aren't afraid to name the preachers they believe are false teachers. I don't care for his propaganda and false assertions, but I can respect that he's not afraid to name those whose doctrine he despised or disagrees with.
    I totally agree. If it was public, then why the hesitancy to name them? I don't get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    I totally agree. If it was public, then why the hesitancy to name them? I don't get it.
    The story doesn't sound extremely different to what some of the big names have said and done in the past though perhaps a bit less "explainable", though the actual content may not be much worse.

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    The dangers of extremism can swing both ways. I recall my older relatives talking about something called "Latter rain" and how it destroyed many churches. Instead of churches correcting the problem yet maintaining the gifts of the spirit, they just shut it ALL down, all prophetic gifts were prohibited and even any form of exuberant worship was done away with because they thought they would lose all control again and it would turn into chaos. A lot of spirit filled churches became graveyards. They were like baptist churches that privately spoke in tongues in their prayer closets

    Then, around that same period, many Pentecostal churches split when William Branham came on the scene. As you know, he was mightily used but his followers begin to deify him and the whole group went into some very odd practices that I won't go in to. But suffice to say, it caused others to become overly cautious to the point of frowning on all gifts and miracles.

    I've seen and heard stuff preached that I wouldn't even post because it would sound too unbelievable ( much much worse than what was mentioned in the article) that people could live under that level of control.

    Lastly, all revivals are messy. They draw a lot of strange people, and sometimes they resemble a circus. Everything is not going to be neat and tidy and in perfect order if and when another great revival comes to America. Personally, I would rather deal with the riffraff then dead religion and no move of God at all. Especially in the times were are living in now

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    Well, brutha Hank has some garbage in his closet that is financial related... I'm sure those that care to know more will search the net

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pentecali View Post
    The dangers of extremism can swing both ways. I recall my older relatives talking about something called "Latter rain" and how it destroyed many churches. Instead of churches correcting the problem yet maintaining the gifts of the spirit, they just shut it ALL down, all prophetic gifts were prohibited and even any form of exuberant worship was done away with because they thought they would lose all control again and it would turn into chaos. A lot of spirit filled churches became graveyards. They were like baptist churches that privately spoke in tongues in their prayer closets

    Then, around that same period, many Pentecostal churches split when William Branham came on the scene. As you know, he was mightily used but his followers begin to deify him and the whole group went into some very odd practices that I won't go in to. But suffice to say, it caused others to become overly cautious to the point of frowning on all gifts and miracles.

    I've seen and heard stuff preached that I wouldn't even post because it would sound too unbelievable ( much much worse than what was mentioned in the article) that people could live under that level of control.

    Lastly, all revivals are messy. They draw a lot of strange people, and sometimes they resemble a circus. Everything is not going to be neat and tidy and in perfect order if and when another great revival comes to America. Personally, I would rather deal with the riffraff then dead religion and no move of God at all. Especially in the times were are living in now
    Interesting post. But a revival doesn't have to be a spectacular explosion centered around a phenomenon or a preacher. It can amount to sustained, strong growth over decades. I believe that is mostly what happened in South Korea during the 1900s, taking them from almost no Christians to something like 50 percent of the population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheeze View Post
    First I take Hank Hanegraff with a HUGE grain of salt. Second if you would like I could tell you some stories first hand that I was involved in where this kind of stuff happened. Third I don't name names mainly for liable and defamation of character lawsuits even tho what happened happened. When I was in radio I could tell you some really good stories of famous televangelists I had encounters with. THE problem here is pastors who function in the matter of the story above are not held accountable to the church and thus come across as arrogant, caustic, and lords over the body of Christ. I won't put up with it myself....
    It's not about taking him with any grain of salt. I SAID, at least he isn't afraid to name names. I've read many times in past posts where you've made accusations against certain WOF preachers. You had no problem calling them by name. GOH with that nonsense. Either say who these perpetrators are, or don't mention the offenses. What do you care about a law suit? If the dirty deeds were done publicly, you have nothing to worry about. Why be scared?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    I totally agree. If it was public, then why the hesitancy to name them? I don't get it.
    Exactly!
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