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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    That's a good article you didn't get to write. :)
    And you best believe I am jealous about that too. But I will forgive Dr. Browne for attaching his name on my thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farm Truck View Post
    If ya want to mess with their minds... tell them you have a deep dark secret! Tell them you believe you were born a thief, and then ask them if they have any nice things at their house and "when can I come by for a visit".

    If they freak out, just tell them "I was born to steal stuff, so you wouldn't want to deny me what God made me to be would you?"
    LOL

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    I had no idea. He's going to be held to a higher standard on Judgment Day by God Also I think James 3:1 applies as he's implying to the younger ones who are impressionable that the wretched marriages are okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
    T.D. Jakes Comes Out for 'Gay Marriage' and 'LGBT Churches,' Says Position is 'Evolving'


    http://christiannews.net/2015/08/07/...n-is-evolving/
    Oh, no. No. No. Please, no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lively Stone View Post
    Oh, no. No. No. Please, no.
    Nothing to be alarmed about... God's Word predicted this, and much more is on the way!



    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    these guys make it too easy for their position to be misunderstood
    How can "homosexuality should be an ongoing conversation" possibly be misunderstood?

    God never said anything about any conversation concerning this issue. He very simply says those that practice this and other sins of the flesh shall not inherit the Kingdom of God... meaning they won't be attending the marriage supper of the Lamb, unless they confess their sins and forsake them so God can have mercy upon them (Proverbs 28:13, 1 John 1:9).

    God very simply does not accept homosexuality. Not sure why some are having a hard time understanding the simplicity that is in Christ Jesus



    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    Why not just call a spade a spade and stop playing these games.
    Well, because... if one in his position does that he will be labeled a bigot by the world and his offering / product sales will dry up and he'll go off TV.

    I know it's hard to believe, but some of these TV preachers value their position and notoriety more than they do the Truth of God's Word... otherwise they would be calling a spade a spade. TD Jakes is making big bucks personally in the entertainment industry so he is stuck in a corner... he cannot say bad things about the gay lifestyle or he loses a lot of money. That's how Hollywood rolls baby!

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  11. #36
    A clarification of the clarification...

    https://www.facebook.com/bishopjakes...53762174043322

    Although the vast majority of people seemed to understand my previous post on this subject, a few seemed to question what was in their view a veil of ambiguity on the same-sex marriage statement.

    I realize that there are those that will never be satisfied. But in good faith that these residual critics might have missed my true intent I provide additional clarity here.

    A lot has been made of a brief interview that I conducted with HuffPo TV Live’s Marc Lamont Hill on Monday, August 3 to promote my latest book, Destiny.

    After dialoging on the book, the interviewer asked a question, one of several pulled from the blogosphere about whether the “black church” and LGBT community could co-exist.

    From the answer that I gave within the context that I was asked and within the time constraints imposed by live television, I responded.

    Unfortunately, my answer became a flashpoint, spurring a virulent diatribe in cyber-Christian-land demanding that I reaffirm my stance on same-sex marriage -- a topic that was never even broached in the HuffPo interview. In my nearly 40 years of ministry, and two decades of marketing books, I have learned that a two-minute interview does not a sermon make.

    Such brief commentary is inadequate to explain complex theological principles or to evaluate societal norms from a biblical perspective.

    This is especially true of secular audiences who are not obliged to understand or adhere to Scripture as the moral arbiter for their lives.

    What I did say is that I am “evolving” – from the Latin, ēvolvere meaning to “unroll, open, and unfold.”

    The inference is that I am “developing” in my approach to the LGBT community that I may share the Gospel most effectively so as to lead “whosoever will” to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. Granted, “evolving” is a non-church word.

    It has come to my attention that for some, "evolving" is reminiscent of the term used by the president when he shifted his position on marriage, signaling a flip-flop, six months ahead of the 2012 election. That was never the intent of my comment—nor is it representative of my convictions on this subject.

    Rather than play “whack-a-mole” with the online Christian media, I have decided to reinforce my statement to further ensure that my words are not unintentionally or intentionally misconstrued to gain more eyeballs on their various sites or confuse any who missed the point of the previous transmission!

    First, my beliefs about sexuality and marriage—as with all topics—is based on Scripture. (2 Timothy 3:16) I firmly believe that marriage is ordained by God as a union between a man and a woman. (Ephesians 5:31) My stance on the topic has never wavered. It is fixed, steadfast and well documented.

    Nor am I ashamed of the gospel, for fear of appearing politically correct. It is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes.

    I believe that all sex outside of that sacred union is sin and that would include but is not limited to, homosexuality. I use Romans 1:24-29 and Hebrews 13:4 as the Scriptural basis for what I believe. I believe in transforming power of God’s Word. It is the ultimate aim of Truth.

    I also believe in balancing that truth with grace, so that the word becomes the personification of Jesus Christ, his love, mercy and compassion. (John 1:14)

    A friend of mine once said that the gospel is advanced among friends. We cannot share faith with those with whom we will not engage.

    Because truth absent of grace fails to exemplify my heart or the heart of the Father, I draw the line at the extra-biblical exercise of calling people names, ostracizing or humiliating them because our beliefs fall on opposite sides of the spiritual chasm.

    That attitude hasn’t shifted the tide in the battle for men’s souls in the last 30 years.

    With the recent Supreme Court ruling we’ve entered an age where the boundaries between Church and State are crystal clear.

    My hope is that the church will always be “evolving” in how we address and minister to the LGBT community in ways that are in line with our biblically-based beliefs without losing sight of Christ like compassion.

    That way of communicating isn't lack of courage, but exhibits the grace and love and forgiveness that reflects God's divine nature! (Ephesians 2:4-5)

    I love all people—even those with whom I do not agree. I do not support same sex-marriage. But it is entirely possible to "speak the truth in love" and I shall never stop trying to do just that.

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    I want to have sympathy but having a difficult time right now. Rather than saying, "I could have been less ambiguous. I apologize for all of the misunderstanding about what I meant" he goes on to chastize those who misunderstood his ambiguity. It is easier to be understood when you get straight to the point instead of using language like "evolved and evolving" (similar statements that President Obama made).

    Then his unapologetic support for a president who unashamedly promotes LGBT has been of no help to him at all. If preachers are going to get on all types of secular TV programs then how about being straightforward and using language that is clearly understood so you don't have to give multiple clarifications? How about apologizing when you are misunderstood? How about stop supporting politicians and defending them when they go against what you claim are your values?

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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    I want to have sympathy but having a difficult time right now. Rather than saying, "I could have been less ambiguous. I apologize for all of the misunderstanding about what I meant" he goes on to chastize those who misunderstood his ambiguity. It is easier to be understood when you get straight to the point instead of using language like "evolved and evolving" (similar statements that President Obama made).

    Then his unapologetic support for a president who unashamedly promotes LGBT has been of no help to him at all. If preachers are going to get on all types of secular TV programs then how about being straightforward and using language that is clearly understood so you don't have to give multiple clarifications? How about apologizing when you are misunderstood? How about stop supporting politicians and defending them when they go against what you claim are your values?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAP View Post
    We are KINGDOM people and we are supposed to IMPOSE a Kingdom, mindset with nations even if citizens arent Christians .. that's what it means to DISCIPLE nations ...I am not saying to impose by the sword or by force but by our prayers and proclamations at the least..

    By TD Jakes saying this is not a Christian nation he essentially cedes ground to the enemy .. My bible however proclaims that Jesus is King of Kings and Lord of Lords and that all nations will bow before him .. Apparently Heaven didnt Get the separation of church and state Memo or the notion that this wasn't a Christian Nation

    For Kingdom minded people , there is no religious or secular it's either permitted in the Kingdom or it isnt and we Kingdom people aren't permitted to have any other opinions ... We are to proclaim the supremacy of our positions as opposed to become apologists for other people so called rights .. Rights that will inevitably send millions of them to hell in any case so where is the Love in that ?
    Yep..where is the SALT and LIGHT

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaithLady56 View Post
    I had no idea. He's going to be held to a higher standard on Judgment Day by God Also I think James 3:1 applies as he's implying to the younger ones who are impressionable that the wretched marriages are okay.
    Good point...the younger generation is becoming so brainwashed and these 'grey area' pastors are assisting in that process!

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