Exactly. Torben teaches walking in the power of God, and how it is for every believer. We are all called to be disciples of Jesus. His representatives.Originally Posted by Colonel
Exactly. Torben teaches walking in the power of God, and how it is for every believer. We are all called to be disciples of Jesus. His representatives.
And all I did was answer.gee fuego all i did was ask a question......
The early church had leaders who had been eye witnesses to the ministry, death and resurrection of Jesus. The twelve apostles had been taught and discipled by Jesus in the flesh for three years. How do we bridge the gap until we get hold of the same revelation and power, that is the question. Some ministers have seen scenes from the ministry of Jesus or the early church but it is hard to relate to and understand something that is going on 2000 years ago, the deeper culture can be very different. In 1999 God showed me a vision of an obtainable future, overlayed onto a contemporary photo, you may recall my having posted that photo here earlier. It represents modern people able to work with a revelation and power that matches or surpasses anything the early church walked in, and the corresponding anointing. The vision that is, not the scene in the photo in and of itself. What I see in that photo, and quite clearly I might add, is far beyond anything that I have ever seen or perceived in this modern world. Including what I looked at when God showed me a scene involving Smith Wigglesworth from about 1920. The down to earth dedication, the deep sense of urgency and the sheer depth of power is simply out of this world. The distance feels astronomical but at least there is consolation in the knowledge that that will actually be sufficient to bridge that gap.
And all I did was answer.
Andrew Wommack was on God TV recently and he talked about how people have come to depend on big name ministers to take care of things and that there is a shift away from that. The beginning of the book of Acts is very interesting in establishing how the early Church operated when the ministry, death and resurrection of Jesus was still in everyone's recent memory. One of the men discussed elaborately is a "nobody", someone they had allowed to take care of the business of feeding the widows in the growing congregation, a man named Stephen. We don't know if he had been one of the 70 or one of the 500 closest to Jesus but in the formal sense he isn't mentioned as having any of the five ministry gifts. He is however said to have been full of the Holy Spirit and power and to have worked extraordinary miracles in Jerusalem. He was in a sense "every believer" and he was doing the things of the great commission in word and deed but just because he was "every believer" doesn't mean that he was exempt from the need for getting hold of what was necessary for a demonstration of power and Spirit. He didn't simply tag along with some well known minister, doing the things that that minister did and relying on the corporate anointing of his ministry. He had actually gotten hold of those things himself, irrespective of his formal status within the local church.
krystian (01-30-2016)
This is the story behind the photo. It was on the front page of Aftenposten some time during 1999. As an amateur photographer who has taken photos all over the world I should say that it is one of the most striking photos that I have ever seen. The photo is taken somewhere in Russia and the man to the left is about to be sent to Chechnya to fight in the war there. He is saying his goodbyes to his girlfriend or wife, not knowing if he will return alive. Their situation is that the youths from the poorer and uneducated segments of the population were the ones actually sent to that war, the wealthier and educated were typically not. They are sort of oblivious to the crowd of international journalists standing around them but the photographer has simply incorporated that into the image.
I see something else in that image. Two ordinary people, and they can be that young, who are completely oblivious to their surroundings because they are completely dedicated to the power that is working in and through them.
2 Cor 4:6 For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellence of the power may be of God and not of us.
Acts 6:8 And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and signs among the people.
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15 And all who sat in the council, looking steadfastly at him, saw his face as the face of an angel.
Verse 15 lists one manifestation of the treasure that was in the earthen vessel that was Stephen according to the flesh. His words and authority were according and great wonders and signs also flowed accordingly.
Stephen and Philip-These are two of the seven who were chosen to serve widows. What we do know of them is that they were filled with the Spirit and were of good reputation. And what we see from them is what is available for every believer.
That is the wonderful thing about what Torben is teaching-If you have been filled with the Spirit, you can also do these things. It has never been about relying on the corporate anointing of "his" ministry.
It is about teaching and encouraging and showing others that they too can do these things.
I have put them into practice and seen great results. One day we had a couple come forward to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I laid hands on the wife and she received. I then pointed to my associate pastor (who had never done this before) and said "Your turn!" He laid his hands on the husband, and the husband also received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I have done the same thing with water baptism, showing others that they can do the same things. That is discipleship. There is no greater confidence builder than to minister alongside someone else and then to step out in faith and do the same things with the same results. This is how I started laying hands on folks to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit. You retain a whole lot more of what you watch and experience than what you read and listen to.
You seem almost anti-Torben, Colonel? All he is doing is what we all should be doing-teaching others how to walk out the great commission.
krystian (02-01-2016), Lively Stone (02-09-2016), Quest (02-09-2016)
Are you saying that he didn't observe the 12 apostles during their ministry and learn some things from them?
Of course he did. But I believe that Luke is making a huge point out of his background to demonstrate that everything didn't revolve around the 12 apostles and others with a formal position.
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