Thread: False Teachers Conference

Originally Posted by John

You must be an old timer Bookie, the copy editor has been replaced by AI and spell check. I seem to recall back in the day that "proof reader" was an actual job title.

Every publisher still has copyeditors and proof readers. Often the latter are freelancers working from home.

Originally Posted by Pentecali

Let me clear the air too.. the laughing is not to make light of any particular ministry, but just laughing at the silliness of Facebook.

I do believe that a few of these ministries have fleeced people, but not all. I think that is what has created the blowback,.. some perhaps unfairly, but others brought it on themselves. What ministries got by with 25-30 yrs ago they probably won't get by with today. People have a voice and an outlet, right or wrong.

Todd White got included by the usual heresy hunters when he let Kenneth Copeland appear on his youtube channel to promote giving into TW's Lifestyle Christianity University project in Texas. A lot of it boils down to "guilt by association". Why ? Because they think they see a hidden conspiracy, a hidden network - NAR-related or otherwise.

Originally Posted by Bookman

Every publisher still has copyeditors and proof readers. Often the latter are freelancers working from home.

Glad to hear that. Back in my printing days, I remember taking copy to typesetters, of course, they disappeared with the advent of desktop publishing, as did a lot of craftsmanship level quality, now they just send electronic files over the interwebs.

Originally Posted by Valiant Woman

I will continue to support Kenneth Copeland and Joyce Meyer. I don't know enough about the rest with the exception of Joel Osteen, and since I don't personally support him, I have no comment other than to say I haven't heard anything from him that causes me to doubt that he is a Christian. My mother loved him, I on the other hand, his ministry just wasn't for me.

I was done with T.D. Jakes some time ago, but that's as far as I'll go. Pray and leave them to God is my advice.

Hey Sis

Osteen is great .. People think all they see with Osteen is what they see on TV .Behind the scenes there is a lot of discipleship and powerful praying going on .

His TV is an evangelists ministry with a very soft approach so those who prefer a more Hard Hitting message may not think much of him . Personally I see a Luke 4:18 Ministry and I am sure Luke 4:18 would have caused many with a pharisaical bent to give Jesus the side eye too

18"The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me [i]to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are [j]oppressed;
19To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.

Osteens TV minsitry can be summed up in the above and Its a needed ministry for many

As for Jakes .. I disagree with him politically and some of his secular endeavors have left me wondering and gave him a wide berth for a while but I tend to sleep with TBN or Daystar on and sometimes wake up to his sermons and I certainly believe he has a a lot to offer .

Benny Hinn is an anointed Healing Evangelist but when he gets to teaching he can be confusing and take multiple positions at different times but he himself concedes that he has been wrong before . Great Guy ...

Copeland : One Word -- SOLID
Meyer: One Word -- SOLID

The rest I dot really follow closely but I CHOOSE to believe the best of them and since they are being lumped together with GOOD men and women that probably means they are a threat to the enemy

Originally Posted by Smitty

I can only find four that are questionable.

1. Joel Osteen He is nothing like his father John Osteen whom I highly respected.

2. TD Jakes He is very expensive to bring in. Five star hotels and very elaborate rooms and a costly honorary fee. Don't agree with his oneness doctrine.

3. Steven Furtick Not sure what he is all about. But I'm also an old fashioned Pentecostal. Ex-members have said he really focus's on himself, "spotlight".

4. Benny Hinn I know he said he repented of "fleecing the flock" of giving schemes but not sure what he is doing now.

I am not saying any of the above are outright false doctrine heretics in the category such as Carlton Pearson who departed from orthodox Christianity. I am not casting judgment on them either, or saying their not saved. I leave that to the Lord. He will deal with them and their motives in ministry when they stand before Him in that day. I'm too busy examining myself, working out my own salvation with fear and trembling. Who am I to say who's in sin and who makes it and doesn't make it. That's not what I do. Doesn't it say somewhere that pride comes before a fall? The last thing I need in my life is to get puffed up and become pharisaical, pointing fingers at others. If I act like that, be sure to know that a log is in my eye. There are enough fruit inspectors out there. As for me:

He has shown you (me) what is good.
And what does the Lord require of you (me).
To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your (my) God. Micah 6:8

Smitty You are good guy .. You say you don't want to point fingers but you do precisely that

Originally Posted by BAP

Hey Sis

Osteen is great .. People think all they see with Osteen is what they see on TV .Behind the scenes there is a lot of discipleship and powerful praying going on .

His TV is an evangelists ministry with a very soft approach so those who prefer a more Hard Hitting message may not think much of him . Personally I see a Luke 4:18 Ministry and I am sure Luke 4:18 would have caused many with a pharisaical bent to give Jesus the side eye too


Osteens TV minsitry can be summed up in the above and Its a needed ministry for many

As for Jakes .. I disagree with him politically and some of his secular endeavors have left me wondering and gave him a wide berth for a while but I tend to sleep with TBN or Daystar on and sometimes wake up to his sermons and I certainly believe he has a a lot to offer .

Benny Hinn is an anointed Healing Evangelist but when he gets to teaching he can be confusing and take multiple positions at different times but he himself concedes that he has been wrong before . Great Guy ...

Copeland : One Word -- SOLID
Meyer: One Word -- SOLID

The rest I dot really follow closely but I CHOOSE to believe the best of them and since they are being lumped together with GOOD men and women that probably means they are a threat to the enemy

But he was flimsy when asked if everyone who isn't Christian goes to hell or not including homosexuals. I think the interview was either with Larry king or Oprah. He sounded like he leans toward inclusion doctrine.

Originally Posted by Pentecali

But he was flimsy when asked if everyone who isn't Christian goes to hell or not including homosexuals. I think the interview was either with Larry king or Oprah. He sounded like he leans toward inclusion doctrine.

When these preachers get in trouble is when they are asked what they think about a certain subject, and instead of saying 'it doesn't matter what I think or what my opinion is this is what the scripture says' they then start waffling when they answer the question. Where the gospel is concerned you just gotta make your stand and not worry about what others are going to think about what you say. And when you quote the Bible, it takes all the pressure off of you and puts it on the scripture. God can handle that pressure.

Originally Posted by Pentecali

But he was flimsy when asked if everyone who isn't Christian goes to hell or not including homosexuals. I think the interview was either with Larry king or Oprah. He sounded like he leans toward inclusion doctrine.

He probably Just had a Simon Peter denying Jesus moment or an Elijah fleeing from Jezebel Moment ...

He is definitely NOT a doctrine of inclusion guy .

Originally Posted by fuego

When these preachers get in trouble is when they are asked what they think about a certain subject, and instead of saying 'it doesn't matter what I think or what my opinion is this is what the scripture says' they then start waffling when they answer the question. Where the gospel is concerned you just gotta make your stand and not worry about what others are going to think about what you say. And when you quote the Bible, it takes all the pressure off of you and puts it on the scripture. God can handle that pressure.

My question is why do they even go on these shows in the first place unprepared knowing you will be put on the hotseat with gotcha questions ?

Jesus often refused to answer questions coming from hostile audiences. He would simply change the subject and put them on the defensive .

Ministers who go for these audiences need to learn that skill. They need to learn to effect become the interviewer since they represent the more powerful Kingdom rather than sitting there like little apologetic puppies struggling to respond to every gotcha question thrown at them.