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    Desantis would not be governor had Trump not endorsed him.

    Also, I prefer he remain here to hold the fort, he was ineffective as a Congressman, maybe state politics is where he belongs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    I knew he voted for Trump but I was referring to his recent posts that implied to me he doesn't want Trump to be the nominee.

    You are right he was not a previous never Trumper
    I don't know who he supported in the 2016 primary, I could dig around a bit but I'm sure it wasn't Trump.

    Browns constituency is primary voters. If you read the manifesto, it sounds like Bookman wrote it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    I don't know who he supported in the 2016 primary, I could dig around a bit but I'm sure it wasn't Trump.
    He actually campaigned for Ted Cruz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    In regard to Dr Brown I did notice from some people's comments who follow him on FB that they felt disappointed that he was being overly negative on Trump and those who support him.
    I somewhat agree. But at the same time I don't think everything he is saying is necessarily wrong.

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    Browns constituency is primary voters. If you read the manifesto, it sounds like Bookman wrote it.
    I'm sure it would surprise you that I just helped with an article for a pro-Trump politico. Have worked on speeches and a book for this person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    I'm sure it would surprise you that I just helped with an article for a pro-Trump politico. Have worked on speeches and a book for this person.
    Of course that's all relative, some would consider a positive article on Trump to be along the lines of "after setting the blind children on fire, Trump was kind enough to spray them with a water hose, saving their lives, a warm gesture rarely seen from the ex-President who has been married three times, swears a lot and dyes his hair."



    BTW, congrats on moving into the big leagues (Politico)!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    He actually campaigned for Ted Cruz.
    Yes, neo-con.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    When I first head of him he was primarily associated with Church growth and John Wimber.

    Gradually Wagner imo went extreme with spiritual warfare/prophetic and ending up teaching some stuff that was wacky
    Wagner was the first high profile speaker to declare we were in the post church era. This was back in '96 I first read it.

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    What Michael Brown is saying is right, wrong and in between.

    The church should not be yoked with the the world, politics or otherwise. - CORRECT

    Trump supporters are yoked to the world. - WRONG

    Supporting my candidate (anyone but Trump) is not yoked. - WRONG

    This is the same narrative that Globalists put out, that Trump supporters are "extremists", he just couches it all in a lot of words, spiritual adjectives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    Wagner was the first high profile speaker to declare we were in the post church era. This was back in '96 I first read it.
    That's one of the teachings I heard back in the late '60's. "The church age is over." I'm not trying to one-up you here, just comparing notes.

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