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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I thought that it was some kind of template for church growth that C. Peter Wagner came up with in the 1990s.

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    When I first head of him he was primarily associated with Church growth and John Wimber.

    Gradually Wagner imo went extreme with spiritual warfare/prophetic and ending up teaching some stuff that was wacky

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    The NAR statement seems to be biblically intact and sound enough to ward off heresy hunters.
    Quote Originally Posted by curly sue View Post
    NAR...nothing new about it. Manifest Sons of God. Been there, done that.


    There are many good aspects to NAR but like other movements can start to veer off. One of these is extreme dominionism that is similar to the manifest sons of God teaching from the 1950's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Sadly he does come across as a never Trumper.
    You do know he voted for him twice, right? Kinda hard to be a never Trumper when you voted for him to win twice.

    John 7
    24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    Curly Sue, I was never involved with NAR and was limited to their structural belief system because of the vast pros and cons I read about it.

    Is it deception and were you deceived by NAR?

    If yes, are you glad to be out of it?
    My parents got involved with msog when I was about 14. We had received Holy Spirit baptism when I was 12 and were attending an AoG church. It was very hard for me as a young teen to have two major doctrinal changes come my way. NAR didn't exist then, the folks we were involved with came out of the Latter Rain movement. As the years went by, revelations became more and more bizarre. Our local group eventually fell apart. I was involved for about 25 years.

    NAR and msog share a lot of common teachings. When there is more bone to spit out than meat, I draw the line.

    Yes, I'm glad to be out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    There are many good aspects to NAR but like other movements can start to veer off. One of these is extreme dominionism that is similar to the manifest sons of God teaching from the 1950's.
    Ever since rev. G. Morgan Campbell called Pentecostalism "the last vomit of Satan" and the L.A. Times warned the public about a new sect of fanatics [that] is breaking loose" from Azusa Street, Spirit filled Christians have had a bad rap.

    If the devil is behind a church split, he is also behind splitting the body of Christ.

    The point is when a new godly or Spirit-filled movement ETC, begins in the right direction with God's blessing upon it, the devil seems to always get involved to divide it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I thought that it was some kind of template for church growth that C. Peter Wagner came up with in the 1990s.

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    I'm not familiar with the info you linked to. My experience is more in the aspect that Cardinal TT spoke of.
    Cardinal said:
    There are many good aspects to NAR but like other movements can start to veer off. One of these is extreme dominionism that is similar to the manifest sons of God teaching from the 1950's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Sadly he does come across as a never Trumper.
    Politically he is a neo-con, they change stripes frequently, Trump is a big no-no with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Politically he is a neo-con, they change stripes frequently, Trump is a big no-no with them.
    You have no clue what you are talking about. Just because he doesn't support Trump for president any more and you do doesn't mean he isn't a true conservative. He has his reasons and some good ones. I think Trump may have too much baggage now myself to be effective in another term as president. You think the media and leftists were bad before, his second term would probably be constant chaos. He has a lot of self-inflicted wounds. I'd personally prefer DeSantis myself because he doesn't have a habit of shooting himself in the foot but takes a hard stand on what he believes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    You have no clue what you are talking about. Just because he doesn't support Trump for president any more and you do doesn't mean he isn't a true conservative. He has his reasons and some good ones. I think Trump may have too much baggage now myself to be effective in another term as president. You think the media and leftists were bad before, his second term would probably be constant chaos. He has a lot of self-inflicted wounds. I'd personally prefer DeSantis myself because he doesn't have a habit of shooting himself in the foot but takes a hard stand on what he believes.
    A lot of people that voted for Trump believe as expressed in the bottom tweet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    You do know he voted for him twice, right? Kinda hard to be a never Trumper when you voted for him to win twice.

    John 7
    24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
    I knew he voted for Trump but I was referring to his recent posts that implied to me he doesn't want Trump to be the nominee.

    You are right he was not a previous never Trumper

    In regard to Dr Brown I did notice from some people's comments who follow him on FB that they felt disappointed that he was being overly negative on Trump and those who support him.

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