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    Why Has John Piper's Son Become a Bible-Bashing Tik-Tok Star?


    Why Has John Piper's Son Become a Bible-Bashing Tik-Tok Star?
    Posted Apr 14, 2021 by Michael L. Brown

    On a regular basis, we are hearing reports of high-profile Christian leaders renouncing their faith, most recently Dr. Paul Maxwell, an author, former Moody Bible Institute professor, and writer for Desiring God. Yet, for many of us, it was even more shocking to learn that Abraham Piper, son of the influential pastor John Piper, had become an internet sensation, best known for his videos mocking his former evangelical beliefs.

    As reported by Ruth Graham for the New York Times, "Abraham Piper became a sensation on TikTok nearly overnight. He posted his first video in November, and he now has more than 900,000 followers, many of them young people who thank him for capturing their experiences so precisely. His unlikely path to online stardom: irreverent critiques of evangelical Christianity aimed at others who have left the faith."

    It turns out that Abraham had fallen away from the faith at the age of 19, so his non-belief is not news in itself. (Personally, I knew nothing of John Piper's family, so all of this was new to me.) What is news is the popularity of his videos, recorded in an upbeat, conversational tone that no doubt appeals to today's youth.

    What are we to make of all this?

    First, we have no idea what Abraham's own experience was with the Lord. Did he ever know Him personally and intimately? Did he ever experience God's power firsthand? Did he ever go beyond knowing the truths of the Bible to knowing the God of the Bible?

    But I do not say this to accuse or judge. Instead, I'm simply saying that, unless I could speak with him personally, I have no way of knowing whether he ever enjoyed fellowship with Jesus and whether he was ever truly born again.

    In any case, rather than belittle him or demonize him, we should pray for him.

    Second, Abraham is right to challenge evangelical hypocrisy, asking on one video about hell, "How are you going to take your family to Outback after church while millions of people are burning alive?"

    Back in the 1980s, I preached a message titled, "Four Things Christians Do Not Believe." They were: God, salvation, heaven, and hell. In other words, if we really believed in the God of the Bible, if we really believed in the power of salvation, if we really believed in the existence of heaven and hell, we would live differently.

    When D. L. Moody was in England, he met privately with a well-known atheist.

    Some of the Christian friends of the atheist asked Moody afterwards if he was able to speak to this man candidly about Jesus. Moody answered yes.

    They then asked him, "Did you speak to him about hell?"

    "Yes," the answer came.

    They responded, "But he never listens to us when we tell him about hell."

    Moody replied, "I spoke to him with tears." (This is my paraphrase of the conversation.)

    On a certain level, I do believe that we have presented some caricatured views about hell to others. But Abraham is right to challenge how deeply we believe what we preach. Is eternity real to us or not? Is Jesus our all in all or not? Is the Bible's God's infallible Word or not?

    Leonard Ravenhill, a great man of prayer and revival who befriended me the last 5 years of his life, was most famous for this one saying: "Are the things you are living for worth Christ dying for?"

    For many of us, the answer is a loud and resounding no.

    That being said, I believe that if Abraham could spend time face to face with many of our missionaries serving sacrificially around the world, or if he could spend time with the ministry I have worked with closely in India for years, he would say, "These people are living out their faith!"

    I'm sure he saw good examples growing up as well, since there are plenty of fine Christians here in America (and presumably in his father's church). And again, only God knows exactly why Abraham has rejected the faith. But he is right in pointing out the shallowness and even hypocrisy of many other American evangelicals. This remains an Achilles Heel in our movement.

    Third, it is the spirit of the age to question God and to mock the Bible, part of a perfect societal storm including the following elements: 1) a superficial, me-first Christianity preached in America for the last generation; 2) the lack of personal experience with God; 3) a dearth of solid discipleship and in-depth knowledge of the Word; 4) a steady stream of leadership scandals; 5) the rise of the new atheism, and with it, the demonizing of the God of the Bible, especially the God of the Old Testament; 6) the ubiquity of the internet, instantly popularizing the latest anti-God statement and turning it into a viral meme; 7) the continued breakdown of the American family; 8) the increasing number of out and proud LGBTQ individuals, many of whom are friends and family members of Christians, causing the latter to question the Bible's teaching on homosexuality.

    Obviously, there are more factors that could be added here. But the bottom line is that we cannot ignore this ongoing apostasy, nor can we simply write off those who are on the attack.

    Instead, now is the time for us to fall on our faces in fervent prayer, searching our own hearts and repenting of our own sin and hypocrisy. Along with that, we must cultivate an atmosphere of openness and honesty where people feel free to ask their questions and express their doubts and where can respond to them with patience and with truth.

    The fact is that none of the attacks on our faith are really new, and Christian leaders in every generation have had to deal with their own society's serious objections.

    But our faith is based on truth, and that truth comes from the one and only God, and those who put their lives in His hands fully and without reservation will never regret doing so. Yet just because we feel secure does not mean that others do. And just because our faith is strong does not mean that the faith of our children is strong.

    History teaches us that every generation must have a fresh, personal encounter with God, otherwise apostasy will set in. And that's where we find ourselves today. What are we going to do about it?

    My newest book Has God Failed You? Finding Faith When You're Not Even Sure God Is Real, addresses the biggest reasons that people lose their faith. I pray that God will use it to restore, strengthen, heal, and make whole. And may the Holy Spirit powerfully visit Abraham Piper and bring him to repentance and faith. He will not be the first prodigal to come home.

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    I have a loved one who walked away from church because of hurts. I hope they get reconciled to God before they die. I feel for John although I disagree with his theology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    I have a loved one who walked away from church because of hurts. I hope they get reconciled to God before they die. I feel for John although I disagree with his theology.
    I know many that have drifted into the enemy's camp and are mad at God. I see them all too often and some are dear to my heart.

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    Is this an example of the "Great Falling Away" that the Bible speaks of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romans828 View Post
    Is this an example of the "Great Falling Away" that the Bible speaks of?
    Yes and it's been building steam for 25 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    I have a loved one who walked away from church because of hurts. I hope they get reconciled to God before they die. I feel for John although I disagree with his theology.
    Speaking of hell as Dr Brown did above, this is why I like Ray Comfort's teachings. At the beginning of his book "Hell's Best Kept Secret" he likens a man being on a plane and two different situations. The first situation he is given a parachute and told "it will make your trip better". He doesn't know the plane is going to crash though. Well it's uncomfortable, other people are making fun of him, so he finally gets tires of it and takes it off. He dies in the crash with everybody else.

    In the other scenario, the same man is given a parachute but told he is going to need it because the plane is going to crash. It's uncomfortable, people are making fun of him, etc, etc, but he doesn't take it off because the knows the plane is going to crash. To him the way he's being treated and the parachute aren't even related in that he knows the outcome. No way he's going to take that parachute off because he plane is going to crash.

    Somebody leaving Christianity because they're 'hurt' hasn't been taught right, or maybe never even born again. What does people hurting you have to do with your salvation? If you understood it you wouldn't even consider leaving because somebody hurt you or treated you wrong or were hypocrites. You're clinging onto that parachute regardless. Of course I know you said 'left the church', not salvation, but it still applies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    ... Somebody leaving Christianity because they're 'hurt' hasn't been taught right, or maybe never even born again. What does people hurting you have to do with your salvation? If you understood it you wouldn't even consider leaving because somebody hurt you or treated you wrong or were hypocrites. You're clinging onto that parachute regardless.

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    Starts off with a few clips from Abraham Piper.



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