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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    One thing Dr Brown brings up is not one person publicly had a prophecy about covid. I mean it's easy to prophecy a Trump win, because he's running. It's not hidden. But something that isn't known, and can't be known would happen by anybody but God, no prophet gave a warning about it.
    Would that not be because there are prophets of God and prophets of Baal? Jesus spoke in Mark 10 of "receiv(ing) a hundred times as much now in the present age, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and farms, along with persecutions;"

    Jesus in Luke 11 said, "For this reason also, the wisdom of God said, 'I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they will kill, and some they will persecute". Why? Because they brought God's message which they did not want to hear.

    In 2 Tim 4:3 Paul writes, "the time will come when they will not tolerate sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance with their own desires". So what do we have these days? People don't trust God any more, (which may be why we see statements like "Many Christians today repeat a lot of useless expressions: "God's ways are mysterious," "God is in control," "all things happen for a reason," "God is sovereign,"" [underlying mine]) so they want people to say things that will keep them happy. They are worried about what will happen to them so prophets say "Trump will win". They are worried about C-19 so a prophet claims to have killed it.

    Although Jesus promised persecution people want to hear a preacher who tells them that they'll get anything that they ask God for; or that God wants them to be healthy, wealthy and wise, that life will be good, now. They want to hear stories about how good they actually are, or how life can be easy (see image below). They want to be comforted, not taught.

    And "wanting to have their ears tickled" the people are all too happy to have a prophet who speaks something not from God, something in error, to tell them that God doesn't expect the prophet to be "right" all the time, so "don't you worry about that" (TT would understand) and "now here's something new and sweet to believe in for a day or so".

    For those who only expect what they want from God.
    Does 'Believe the Prophets' Apply to Us Today? Michael Brown-capture-jpg

    And I hope this isn't real (though there's a good chance it is)
    Does 'Believe the Prophets' Apply to Us Today? Michael Brown-capture-jpg

    P.S. Yes God is sovereign. Yes He is in control. He has a reason for everything that happens, and He doesn't (and doesn't have to) explain to man what He's doing. Especially to those who reject Him.

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    P.S. Yes God is sovereign. Yes He is in control. He has a reason for everything that happens, and He doesn't (and doesn't have to) explain to man what He's doing. Especially to those who reject Him.
    As many here have said before that is awful and ignorant theology that blames God for every circumstance we fail to use our God given authority in prayer and faith to bring change. Calvinists actually blaspheme God with this horrible false doctrine blaming and accusing Him for their failures when it's actually their ignorance and lack of faith that is causing their bad results. They will stand at the Bema seat with heads held low in shame. Reject this false doctrine with every fiber of your being or you will injure your faith walk with the Lord, and you might accept a package from satan that this false theology says is God's will for you..
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    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    As many here have said before that is awful and ignorant theology that blames God for every circumstance we fail to use our God given authority in prayer and faith to bring change.
    Given that this theology doesn't blame God for anything at all . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Given that this theology doesn't blame God for anything at all . . .
    Calvinism is a cult for sure with it's own version of God..... Sad !

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    Look, we can call each other names and tell each other that we're following terrible heresy until the cows come home. Do you think this is improving things?

    Non-Calvinists: "You are all following awful heresy!"
    Calvinists: "You are all following awful heresy!"

    Do you want to rinse and repeat, 100 times?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MercyandFaith View Post
    Look, we can call each other names and tell each other that we're following terrible heresy until the cows come home. Do you think this is improving things?

    Non-Calvinists: "You are all following awful heresy!"
    Calvinists: "You are all following awful heresy!"

    Do you want to rinse and repeat, 100 times?
    They have. Maybe even 100x100 and shows no hope of ending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A.J. View Post
    They have. Maybe even 100x100 and shows no hope of ending.
    You made me lol!



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    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    Calvinism is a cult for sure with it's own version of God..... Sad !
    When people think if a cult they tend to think of something like this: "a religious group, often living together, whose beliefs are considered extreme or strange by many people" (CULT | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary), so I don't think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MercyandFaith View Post
    Look, we can call each other names and tell each other that we're following terrible heresy until the cows come home. Do you think this is improving things?

    Non-Calvinists: "You are all following awful heresy!"
    Calvinists: "You are all following awful heresy!"

    Do you want to rinse and repeat, 100 times?
    Quote Originally Posted by A.J. View Post
    They have. Maybe even 100x100 and shows no hope of ending.
    Quote Originally Posted by curly sue View Post
    You made me lol!

    I found this on a site, "Heresy is not the same as error. Heresy is the choice to abandon the widely accepted teaching on an essential doctrine and embrace one's own view." (What is Heresy? 4 Examples Still Alive in the Church Today)

    The trouble with this definition of course is that if enough people either "abandon the widely accepted teaching on an essential doctrine" or are taught from scratch something other than that "widely accepted teaching", it won't be long till you have a church that thinks that its teaching is the "widely accepted teaching". We see that everywhere now.

    It has been commented elsewhere that we don't see many "prophets" acknowledging that they were wrong. And that even though a major theme of the Gospel message is to repent. Don't prophets know that? But I'm off track, but what do you think are the chances of people if it's suggested that:

    One of the heresies that keeps appearing is Semi-Pelagianism which says:

    • that Man and God cooperate to achieve man's salvation.
    • that the sinner has the ability to initiate belief in God and
    • that God's grace is a response to man's initial effort. And that
    • it was condemned at the Council of Orange in 529 (and other later Councils) and
    • it has persisted throughout church history to reappear in Medieval Catholicism, Renaissance Humanism, Socinianism, Arminianism, and modern Liberalism


    actually researching that and verifying if it's true or not, or just ignoring it as the implications are too far reaching?

    OK - disclaimer - the main reason I put that there is because so many people who say "heresy" display a total ignorance of the other beliefs. For instance, we had the six month Council of Dort in 1618-19. There were about 100 delegates (theologians, pastors, ministers, elders etc. "representing Reformed groups from continental Europe, as well as from the British Isles. Among these groups were also Anglican delegates from the Church of England and the Church of Scotland") and they met 180 times (list). Out of it came "a very finely tuned piece of theological writing, ably delineating a biblically Reformed perspective on matters central to Christian life and experience" [it is 13,000 words long in English]. Yet someone here has posted a single verse, yes, just the one single sixteen word verse and claims that "Calvin's false doctrine has been soundly refuted here". 100 theologians and ministers met 180 times discussing the topic and not one of them realised that that one verse totally blew out of the water everything that thought was Biblical. If only one of them had known of that verse eh? If only Augustine had known?

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    I have been calling out the false prophets for a while now. Their deceptions have led millions into thinking God wants all healthy, wealthy, and not holy. They are ALL false prophets who prophesy falsely, and the Kingdom would do well to cleanse the house, and call them and their followers to repent.

    Grace, Shalom, and Maranatha in Jesus name.
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