Thread: Are UFOs and aliens biblical?

Some Christians believe so, some don't...can you prove your case biblically?

What do you mean by, "biblical"?

Do you feel that there is something in the bible that points to the possible existence of aliens, rules it out, or is silent on the subject...and if you lean towards yay or nay post the scripture reference.

Y'all are scary sometimes but I'm going to be honest and say that I remember still being at school when I first thought, "I wonder whether Jesus could have been an alien? Or a time traveller?"

Well, I've said this before. I have NEVER believed that all "alien abduction" stories are sleep paralysis/dreams/whatevers. I believe that "aliens" are demons and that some people have real encounters with real demons. I recall John Paul Jackson relating a story about a close friend of his who had an alien encounter one day while working on his farm. He said that a small craft appeared on his property and that these alien creatures came out and telepathically communicated with him saying something along the lines of, "Greetings! We are here to bring you the good news of our technology yadayadayada blahblahblah" and the man basically said, "Thanks but no thanks! I've got the good news of Jesus Christ" and they left immediately. JPJ said that he had no reason to doubt his friend and that he didn't relate any other "weird" or "out there" type stories except for this one, and that he was very solid and mature as a Believer.

I also know that Tom Horn said his youngest sister had "abduction" experiences (or maybe 1?), and that as nominal Christians, they had no clue how to deal with it.

So are ALL "alien" stories "real" in the sense that you and I understand? Probably not, but I do believe that aliens are DEMONS and they will probably appear at some point as part of a last days deception, but I won't argue that point. Many new agers always talk about how their "spirit guides" speak specifically about a time when they will appear to the world with all sorts of technology, love, peace, etc....

Scripture doesn't talk about creatures from outer space or their crafts.

Originally Posted by krystian

Do you feel that there is something in the bible that points to the possible existence of aliens, rules it out, or is silent on the subject...and if you lean towards yay or nay post the scripture reference.

Originally Posted by CatchyUsername

Thanks but no thanks! I've got the good news of Jesus Christ" and they left immediately

Exactly, these are just devils. The Word says in the end times satan will come down with a vengeance knowing his time is short and he is doing so in every area of human existence in an attempt to blind the minds of men so they either do not accept Jesus or turn away from Jesus is they have been saved.

Originally Posted by CatchyUsername

Scripture doesn't talk about creatures from outer space or their crafts.

Actually, if you study the giants (nephilim) the Bible speaks of where angels left their original domain and came into this natural realm and had babies with human women creating a race of being that were half fallen angel and half human before and leading up to the time of Noah... you'll see why God had to flood the earth to kill of these beings.

The Word says that in the end times it will be like the days of Noah so not only are all the sinful lifestyles in full swing, the devil is back doing his thing as he was then and some have even embraced sex with devils so the whole nephilim things is starting all over again which means... God must bring this age to a close very soon.

Genesis 6:4-6
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

If you have ever wondered who were the "sons of God" and daughters of men were in Genesis 6:1-4... There have been several suggestions as to who the sons of God were and why the children they had with daughters of men grew into a race of giants (that is what the word Nephilim seems to indicate).

The three primary views on the identity of the sons of God are 1) they were fallen angels, 2) they were powerful human rulers, or 3) they were godly descendants of Seth intermarrying with wicked descendants of Cain. Giving weight to the first theory is the fact that in the Old Testament the phrase sons of God always refers to angels (Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7). A potential problem with this is in Matthew 22:30, which indicates that angels do not marry. The Bible gives us no reason to believe that angels have a gender or are able to reproduce. The other two views do not present this problem.

The weakness of views 2) and 3) is that ordinary human males marrying ordinary human females does not account for why the offspring were giants or heroes of old, men of renown. Further, why would God decide to bring the flood on the earth (Genesis 6:5-7) when God had never forbade powerful human males or descendants of Seth to marry ordinary human females or descendants of Cain? The oncoming judgment of Genesis 6:5-7 is linked to what took place in Genesis 6:1-4. Only the obscene, perverse marriage of fallen angels with human females would seem to justify such a harsh judgment.

As previously noted, the weakness of the first view is that Matthew 22:30 declares, At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. However, the text does not say angels are not able to marry. Rather, it indicates only that angels do not marry. Second, Matthew 22:30 is referring to the angels in heaven. It is not referring to fallen angels, who do not care about God's created order and actively seek ways to disrupt God's plan. The fact that God's holy angels do not marry or engage in sexual relations does not mean the same is true of satan and his demons (remember, they are in rebellion again God so they seek to do that which God forbids them to do).

View 1) is the most likely position. Yes, it is an interesting contradiction to say that angels are sexless and then to say that the sons of God were fallen angels who procreated with human females. However, while angels are spiritual beings (Hebrews 1:14), they can appear in human, physical form (Mark 16:5). The men of Sodom and Gomorrah wanted to have sex with the two angels who were with Lot (Genesis 19:1-5). It is plausible that angels are capable of taking on human form, even to the point of replicating human sexuality and possibly even reproduction. Why do the fallen angels not do this more often? It seems that God imprisoned the fallen angels who committed this evil sin, so that the other fallen angels would not do the same (as described in Jude 6). Earlier Hebrew interpreters and apocryphal and pseudopigraphal writings are unanimous in holding to the view that fallen angels are the sons of God mentioned in Genesis 6:1-4. This by no means closes the debate.

However, the view that Genesis 6:1-4 involves fallen angels mating with human females has a strong contextual, grammatical, and historical basis.

What Does the Bible Say About UFOs?
By Gary Stearman on July 27, 2011

In this generation, there is a phenomenon that has been chronicled by academics and dramatists alike. It is well known throughout all levels of society. At first, it was viewed as a myth; now it carries the veracity and weight of any other commonly-reported social phenomenon. Virtually anyone in any culture … worldwide … is conversationally familiar with it. It has reached the level of keychain fobs and bumper stickers.

In documentary fashion, motion picture theaters and television productions have presented it many times. It is a subject loaded with dramatic potential, both in the realms of human pathos and foreboding paranoia.

But, of surpassing interest is its spiritual dimension. It spans the fullness of all questions surrounding God’s creation, His sovereignty and the mysteries inherent in the dark forces that oppose Him. It brings Paul’s statement about, “… principalities, powers and rulers of darkness in high places,” into stark, glaring focus.

In polite society, this phenomenon is virtually taboo. Merely to bring it up places one in the category of the kooks and the crazies. A courteous silence usually surrounds reports of the wondrous event, rather like that accorded ghost stories, or tales about Bigfoot and dinosaurs plodding through the remote swamps of Africa.

We refer to a macabre and puzzling phenomenon that has fascinated us for the last sixty years. Some say that records of it may be found even centuries earlier. We must call it by its name: UFO abduction.

As we press forward into the early years of a new millennium, we finally have enough information about this subject to draw certain conclusions … all of which are dark, forbidding and frightening.

More than that, these events carry elements of an unclean, putrescent evil that draws us ever deeper into the arena of the spiritually impure. One quickly realizes that in this venue, spiritual combat is a pulsating reality. There is the real sense that, by probing into the dark recesses of this pit without the help of God and the presence of Christ, one could suffer very real spiritual injury.

But for the Christian, there is both security and hope in even the darkest realm. Not surprisingly, the Bible provides the precise information that makes this unexplainable circumstance quite explainable.

Biblically, the contemporary UFO abduction story becomes a mystery solved. More than that, it is yet another prophetic truth that reminds us just how close we really are to the end of the Church Age.

This having been stated, let us return to an event that subtly changed the path of modern history. In the early 60’s, it became the subject of countless articles in the top magazines. It was documented on prime-time television.

A Classic Case of Missing Time

It launched a best-selling book: The Interrupted Journey, by an acclaimed reporter, John Fuller. It documented the story of a married couple driving home at night. In fact, it was a mid-September night in 1961. Barney and Betty Hill were returning from a vacation trip to Quebec. Driving south between Lancaster and Portsmouth, New Hampshire, they found themselves being pursued by what they described as a mystery ship that, at first, looked like a star or satellite. Then, its movements became more erratic. It appeared to be dropping lower and lower.

At last, they could see that it was a bright, round glowing object. After a time, they saw it at treetop height. It appeared to them as a flying disc, larger than an airliner. Stopping the car, Barney found that he could look into its large windows with his binoculars.

There, he was horrified to see humanoid creatures, with staring eyes that sent a profound hysteria coursing through his entire being. He ran back to the car and attempted to escape. At that point, everything lapsed into blackness for a period that they would later determine was about two hours of missing time.

The next thing they knew, they were consciously aware of driving the last few miles into Portsmouth. Arriving home in a curious state of distress, they were totally unaware that they had been the object of what has now become the classic UFO abduction case.

In the period that followed, it took them literally years to unravel the mystery of what had happened during those two hours. And when they finally succeeded, their horrific memories became the subject of a best-selling book mentioned above, and a full-length motion picture.

What had befallen them became a classic case, containing all the now-familiar elements of abduction. First, there was the complete blanking of their memories. Then Barney found himself subject to extreme anxiety, accompanied by nightmares and the inability to sleep. Both were highly disturbed, but didn’t know why.

Without the lengthy help of psychiatrist Benjamin Simon, M.D., it is doubtful that they would ever have unscrambled the source of their ensuing mental distress. Finally, however, the details came out.

These details included descriptions of the huge “spaceship,” its crew and interior arrangement, along with a remembered “star map” which had hung on one of its inside walls. With the help of astronomers, Betty later recalled it as depicting an area of space in the constellation we call Pegasus, and its brightest star, Alpha Pegasi. She labeled other stars on her map with well-known star names. At the time, radio astronomers even noted that a mysterious radio source seemed to originate from this exact spot. Some speculated that the signal might have an intelligent source.

The abduction had also included a series of “medical exams.” Both Barney and Betty were subjected to these. As in other well-known cases, the examinations seemed to focus upon their reproductive systems.

Both were sure that the beings came from another planet, and were simply bent upon doing some sort of local reconnaissance in our solar system. There was much speculation about their methods and motives.

It was the sixties, when old ways were being dropped, and a new world of socialized idealism was on the horizon. Space travelers, inter-species medical exams and the hint that we were about to embark upon intergalactic diplomacy caught the public’s imagination.

Their story fit the times as surely as did the later appearance of Star Trek, Captain Kirk, Spock, Doc and Scotty. The Hills were, for a time, launched into unwilling celebrity. Then, interest in their encounter faded into what for them was a blessed obscurity. A few years later, Barney passed on. After that, Betty occasionally spoke of the event, expressing the certainty that her abductors had meant no harm, but were simply an advanced scouting party.

Still, when their experience exploded into the public consciousness in 1966, they were greeted by ridicule and official skepticism.

In the years since, the watershed event that brought the Hills to fame has not faded away. Rather, it has become a booming enterprise. As we shall see, these strange abductions are a growing presence. At present, hundreds, thousands and most likely even hundreds of thousands have encountered a similar fate.

The Hills, and others like them, became convinced that planet Earth is being visited by explorers, representing many planets and races. Abductees believe that we are only a short time away from being told “the whole truth,” in a global disclosure that will reveal many bizarre secrets now known only by certain high government officials.

During their abductions, they were told by the aliens that humanity has nothing to fear; that they are here on a mission of peace. In fact, these “space travelers” often hint that they are humanity’s creators, having returned in these last, critical days to check up on their work.

Method in Their Madness

But as one tries to make sense of the aliens’ collective utterances, gaping inconsistencies appear. Serious research yields great doubt about their beneficent intent. And after a little more study, even their identity comes into question. Rather than being benevolent emissaries, they seem to have darker motives.

And rather than being space travelers, they seem much more like the fallen ones described in the Bible. In fact, they seem exactly like the angels and demons who followed satan, and who are engaged in an ongoing warfare against the elect of God. Christians need to be aware of these events, and the dark forces behind them.

What they are doing and why they are doing it are questions that must be dealt with by the faithful. And why are they doing it just now, as the events of Bible prophecy seem so close to fulfillment?

Historically, there is a quality of inscrutability surrounding the UFO phenomenon. Citizens the world over have reported sightings for years, as governments the world over explain them away with clearly absurd rationalizations. “Swamp gas,” “the planet Venus” and “spent Russian rocket boosters” and hundreds of similar cover stories have been offered as explanations as far back as one cares to check.

Now, however, there is growing evidence that our government leaders have known all along that something was afoot.

Operation Majestic 12

Of late, several writers claim to have unearthed above-top-secret government documents that directly pertain to modern UFO history. Perhaps the most famous of these is manually-typed on older typewriter paper that has apparently met the tests of historical experts. That is, it passes examination for age, chemical composition and watermarking.

Its authenticity has occasionally come into question, but it is so representative of an entire class of similar documents that we include it here. It provides the information needed to explain the biblical link between the dark heavenly forces and the one-world government so clearly presented in the prophecies of the Bible.

Each page of this document is stamped “TOP SECRET/MAJIC — EYES ONLY.”
It is headed, “BRIEFING DOCUMENT: OPERATION MAJESTIC 12 — PREPARED FOR PRESIDENT-ELECT DWIGHT D. EISENHOWER: (EYES ONLY) — 18 NOVEMBER, 1952.”

Apparently, “Majestic 12” was the title given to a group of 12 high-ranking insiders. All of them were Admirals, Generals or government scientists. According to the document, itself, the group “… was established by special classified executive order of President Truman on 24 September, 1947.”

This white paper deals with the subject of disc-shaped aerial objects. They soon came to be called “flying saucers,” the term coined after pilot Kenneth Arnold sighted flying discs over the Cascade Mountains in Washington. That had happened on June 24, 1947, the year that flying saucers came of age.

These are mentioned in the MAJIC report, along with the famous Roswell event, described as follows: “… little of substance was learned about the objects until a local rancher reported that one had crashed in a remote region of New Mexico located approximately seventy-five miles northwest of Roswell Army Air Base (now Walker Field).

“On 07 July, 1947, a secret operation was begun to assure recovery of the wreckage of this object for scientific study. During the course of this operation, aerial reconnaissance discovered that four small human-like beings had apparently ejected from the craft at some point before it exploded.”

The 8th page of this document features a short memo to the Secretary of Defense, purportedly from President Harry Truman, dated September 24, 1947:

“Dear Secretary Forrestal:
“As per our recent conversation on this matter, you are hereby authorized to proceed with all due speed and caution upon your undertaking. Hereafter this matter shall be referred to only as Operation Majestic Twelve.

“It continues to be my feeling that any future considerations relative to the ultimate disposition of this matter should rest solely with the Office of the President following appropriate discussions with yourself, Dr. Bush and the Director of Central Intelligence.”

It now seems that this and other similar documents are authentic. This being the case, we must assume that top-level government agencies have been pursuing their interaction with UFOs ever since.

Close Encounters

Who were the “four small human-like beings,” mentioned in this mysterious document? Were they really from outer space? Until recently, it might have seemed that this was indeed the case. But evidence now available through study of the UFO abduction phenomenon offers an alternative suggestion — one that is in perfect agreement with the biblical world-view. They may, in an unexpected way, be from right here on planet Earth!

In the 1950s, various flying lights in the sky were sighted around the world. The year 1956 is considered a “flap” year by UFO historians. That is, this particular year witnessed numerous, blatantly obvious sightings that popped up on a variety of fronts. During this decade, even Washington, D.C. was the site of a huge display of the mysterious lights.

The ’60s brought continuing waves of these sightings. The late astronomer and UFO researcher J. Allen Hynek called these events, “Close Encounters Of The First Kind.” Lights, spheres, disks and similar phenomena came to be considered so normal that belief in them was a given. Of course, everyone pretended to be a scoffer. But general acceptance of “flying saucers” was almost universal.

Hynek labeled sightings that left ground traces as, “Close Encounters Of The Second Kind.” If beings were sighted leaving the craft, the event was logged as a “Close Encounter Of The Third Kind...

FT, we can't post whole articles when it infringes on someone's copyrights. I left your first post but deleted the others, you can edit in a link to the complete article.


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http://livingfaithforum.com/TOS.htm

The guy say it's OK to post as long as he is credited... I left that in tact under the title.

The link to the article is:
http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/wha...say-about-ufos

As far as copyright is concerned... they can legally claim no part of their material can be posted and I've heard of publishers doing that although those are rarely Christian publishers who are publishing teaching materials.

Most publishers that post entire articles like this on the web are fine with re-posting as long as the author is credited since after all, they just put it on the net themselves at no cost for anybody to read.