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    I have been saying for years that what people have construed as aliens from outer space are demons. The passage from Daniel about Nebudchenazzar's statue dream was pointed out to me I believe by the Holy Spirit last week when studying all this stuff, but I didn't mention it because folks were already on edge about the topic. "They will mingle with the seeds of men"-as in the days of Noah?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    I have been saying for years that what people have construed as aliens from outer space are demons. The passage from Daniel about Nebudchenazzar's statue dream was pointed out to me I believe by the Holy Spirit last week when studying all this stuff, but I didn't mention it because folks were already on edge about the topic. "They will mingle with the seeds of men"-as in the days of Noah?
    That's the one Missler speculated on :

    Dan 4:39 But after you shall arise another kingdom inferior to yours; then another, a third kingdom of bronze, which shall rule over all the earth. 40 And the fourth kingdom shall be as strong as iron, inasmuch as iron breaks in pieces and shatters everything; and like iron that crushes, that kingdom will break in pieces and crush all the others. 41 Whereas you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; yet the strength of the iron shall be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with ceramic clay. 42 And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile. 43 As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay.

    If one chooses to interpret "they" as fallen angels, the result is that the iron part of the kingdom is all angels and the clay part is all human beings, yet they form one kingdom. Just they don't actually mix, just like iron does not mix with clay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    That's the one Missler speculated on :

    Dan 4:39 But after you shall arise another kingdom inferior to yours; then another, a third kingdom of bronze, which shall rule over all the earth. 40 And the fourth kingdom shall be as strong as iron, inasmuch as iron breaks in pieces and shatters everything; and like iron that crushes, that kingdom will break in pieces and crush all the others. 41 Whereas you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; yet the strength of the iron shall be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with ceramic clay. 42 And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile. 43 As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay.

    If one chooses to interpret "they" as fallen angels, the result is that the iron part of the kingdom is all angels and the clay part is all human beings, yet they form one kingdom. Just they don't actually mix, just like iron does not mix with clay.
    so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile...that seems to be the defining of the iron and clay so if strong and weak re their defining characteristics there does not seem to be any reason to assume the THEY is anything other than men who make up earthly kingdoms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile...that seems to be the defining of the iron and clay so if strong and weak re their defining characteristics there does not seem to be any reason to assume the THEY is anything other than men who make up earthly kingdoms.
    That's the thing, the passage doesn't define "they" as anything in particular. The word Nephilim, angel, sons of God etc would have been ample. Without that, the rest is just speculation. Speculation that doesn't even fit the specifics of the verse.

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    Extraordinary Earth
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    By: John Stonestreet
    March 11, 2016 6:50 AM
    Topics: Creation/Environment, Intelligent Design, Science/Technology
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    Astronomers have long searched the sky for evidence that we're not alone. But new research is suggesting we may be one of a kind...

    ...As one astrophysicist argues in a forthcoming paper, the old estimates vastly inflated the number of potential alien civilizations. Eric Zackrisson at Sweden's Uppsala University suggests that modern research points not to a galaxy "throbbing and humming" with life, but to one in which Earth-like planets are exceedingly rare.

    It turns out that Drake's equation failed to take into account factors that we now know to be essential to life. For example, scientists once believed that planets orbiting a certain distance from their host stars in the so-called "Goldilocks zone" were prime real estate for creatures like us.

    But not anymore. It turns out that the size and chemical composition of the host stars matters just as much as planetary orbits. And according to Zackrisson, most planets in the universe likely orbit stars that bear little resemblance to our sun. These stars are either much bigger, much smaller, or just made of the wrong stuff.

    And in light of the fruitless fifty-year search for extraterrestrial radio signals, predictions of a sky buzzing with activity are sounding less like science and more like science fiction. Increasingly, it looks as if we are alone in the universe.

    And just how alone? Zackrisson estimates that given all the factors that make Earth what it is, our planet may be one in 700 quintillion to host intelligent life. That's one out of seven followed by twenty zeros, or the estimated number of planets in the entire universe.

    Nathaniel Scharping at Discover Magazine writes with a straight face that Earth appears to have been dealt "a fairly lucky hand." He makes up for this understatement later, concluding that, "from a purely statistical standpoint, Earth perhaps shouldn't exist."

    And yet, here we are.

    Intelligent Design theorists have long pointed out how improbably unique our little blue planet is. And findings like this only deepen the problem for materialists. Because if thinking creatures emerged here and nowhere else, it makes us look less like accidents and more like -- dare I say it -- miracles....



    One in 700 Quintillion: Exoplanet Study Confirms Terran Exceptionalism
    David Klinghoffer February 24, 2016 11:34 AM
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    That's the thing, the passage doesn't define "they" as anything in particular. The word Nephilim, angel, sons of God etc would have been ample. Without that, the rest is just speculation. Speculation that doesn't even fit the specifics of the verse.
    To me, the phrase "mingle with the seed of men" seems to indicate that something other than the seeds of men will mingle with the seeds of men??? And then couple that with the phrase "as in the days of Noah", considering Genesis 6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    To me, the phrase "mingle with the seed of men" seems to indicate that something other than the seeds of men will mingle with the seeds of men??? And then couple that with the phrase "as in the days of Noah", considering Genesis 6.
    I suggest you reply to the post that actually discusses that :

    http://livingfaithforum.com/forum/sh...ll=1#post22394

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    It's VERY self-explanatory.

    The whole world is in the back seat of a car, being driven to a destination. The problem is, 99% of the world's population doesn't have a clue where they are being driven to. They are ALL being driven to transuhumanism, period. No ifs, ands, or buts. And if you don't have a clue that is the ultiimate destination, you will be very deceived once you get there. The train has left the station, and is much farther along than people even realize. The mingling of the seeds again, is very self-explanatory, imo, but only if you are paying attention to science. Most Christians couldn't care less, and that is why there is so much deception concerning the end times, and inability to put the puzzle pieces together.

    Again, people cannot picture what the world will look like in 15-20 years, so they will be lost and won't be discerning, imo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    To me, the phrase "mingle with the seed of men" seems to indicate that something other than the seeds of men will mingle with the seeds of men??? And then couple that with the phrase "as in the days of Noah", considering Genesis 6.

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    It will take a very long time for transhumanism to be established in the general population unless there is a totalitarian regime involved, preferably a worldwide one. That could possibly reduce the timeframe from hundreds of years to decades. What exactly does "mingling of seeds" mean according to you ?

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