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    Robert Young - Hints and Helps - Exodus 15:26

    Continuing to edit the revised version of my book, "Does God Send Sickness" but it is hard to hold back from sharing some of my discoveries. Most faith people are aware of Robert Young's "Hints and Helps to Bible Interpretation." While we were told that Young lists Exodus 15:26 among the passages that should be understood in a permissive sense, we must admit that he doesn't. However, in 1830, the contributors of the "Treasury of Scripture Knowledge" (R. A. Torrey, editor) did. AWESOME!!!!

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    So that's a draw?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    So that's a draw?
    This is theology, not a chess match. The point is to establish that the permissive sense is a valid view in the eyes of some noted bible scholars, and that people who dismiss the permissive sense as poor scholarship have to concede that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jew and Greek View Post
    This is theology, not a chess match. The point is to establish that the permissive sense is a valid view in the eyes of some noted bible scholars, and that people who dismiss the permissive sense as poor scholarship have to concede that.
    AMEN! I could not have said that better.

    With some, theology is more about "gotchas" and "one-ups" than it is about understanding Biblical truth and getting more revelation about God's character and nature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jew and Greek View Post
    This is theology, not a chess match. The point is to establish that the permissive sense is a valid view in the eyes of some noted bible scholars, and that people who dismiss the permissive sense as poor scholarship have to concede that.
    Ta.

    My limited understanding of this is that some folks would say that God didn't actually do all the things that the Bible says He does but just permits them to happen. Not that I can find a Bible that says that God "permitted" in one place let alone the hundreds and hundreds of places where we're told that God did X.

    What's the thinking behind it anyway? If the Bible says that God did X why do people want to come in and say No, He only permitted X.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Ta.

    My limited understanding of this is that some folks would say that God didn't actually do all the things that the Bible says He does but just permits them to happen. Not that I can find a Bible that says that God "permitted" in one place let alone the hundreds and hundreds of places where we're told that God did X.

    What's the thinking behind it anyway? If the Bible says that God did X why do people want to come in and say No, He only permitted X.
    I'm not that concerned with what God does himself and what he merely permits others to do. I'm more concerned with how far he goes with permitting things to happen. For instance, the doctrine which says that God permits the devil to cancel people's salvation because of sin, when they still do have genuine faith in Christ, that is something that I find to attack God's character more than most things do. If I were to promote a vindication of God's character, I would definitely include God's character in terms of being faithful to save those who actually do possess saving faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I'm not that concerned with what God does himself and what he merely permits others to do. I'm more concerned with how far he goes with permitting things to happen. For instance, the doctrine which says that God permits the devil to cancel people's salvation because of sin, when they still do have genuine faith in Christ, that is something that I find to attack God's character more than most things do. If I were to promote a vindication of God's character, I would definitely include God's character in terms of being faithful to save those who actually do possess saving faith.
    Wow! That's sorta like RC beliefs, but do other people really believe stuff like that? It makes no sense on two levels at least. Or three.

    Edited based on Colonel's comment. I originally just that the bold bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Wow! That's sorta like RC beliefs, but do other people really believe stuff like that? It makes no sense on two levels at least. Or three.
    You snipped the last part of my sentence and now it looks quite different to what I said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    You snipped the last part of my sentence and now it looks quite different to what I said.
    Adjusted.

    There was a double different mindset thing going on there.

    As you know, the phrase "when they still do have genuine faith in Christ" isn't in my vocabulary because my faith is given to me by God and He's said He's not going to take it away.

    That's apart from the idea of being able to "cancel people's salvation" is only meaningful (imo) to people who think that their salvation somehow depends on them.

    Which I guess is where the idea of "because of sin" comes in. That's certainly an RC concept, they teach that one can go in and out of God's favour depending on how bad you sin and if you go to confession (now called reconciliation I think) afterwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Adjusted.

    There was a double different mindset thing going on there.

    As you know, the phrase "when they still do have genuine faith in Christ" isn't in my vocabulary because my faith is given to me by God and He's said He's not going to take it away.

    That's apart from the idea of being able to "cancel people's salvation" is only meaningful (imo) to people who think that their salvation somehow depends on them.

    Which I guess is where the idea of "because of sin" comes in. That's certainly an RC concept, they teach that one can go in and out of God's favour depending on how bad you sin and if you go to confession (now called reconciliation I think) afterwards.
    This isn't about pitting OSAS against Catholic style works salvation. Most people I know believe that salvation depends on and continues to depend on the presence of real faith in the risen Christ.

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