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    Because God desires obedience that stems from love and relationship whereas Calvinism is cold hard legalistic obedience that is the LOWEST form of obedience
    Where does "Calvinism" come into that statement TT?

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    This verse contradicts the theory that the gospel of John was written to "mature Christians" :

    John 20:30 And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book;
    31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Where does "Calvinism" come into that statement TT?
    It comes from your comments and the way you write ...what's in your heart comes out and you love the Calvinist God who is MOSTLY about anger, wrath, judgment and legalistic obedience


    I prefer Jesus who showed forth God as pure love and that obedience comes from loving him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    This verse contradicts the theory that the gospel of John was written to "mature Christians" :

    John 20:30 And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book;
    31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.

    Awesome Colonel..now will FFO admit Pawson was wrong on this

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    In general they want lots of passages to have "the Christians" / "the elect" as their only context. So why not declare the entire gospel of John as directed at "mature Christians" only ?
    The "Gospel" of John was written towards the end of his life and was to counteract a heresy going around (and still exists in the JW's) that Jesus was a God rather than the truth that Jesus was God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    The "Gospel" of John was written towards the end of his life and was to counteract a heresy going around (and still exists in the JW's) that Jesus was a God rather than the truth that Jesus was God.
    Prove it.

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    What about the many churches who give the gospel of John to new believers after they make a confession of faith or the many that have read John and come to faith
    If they did some research they'd discover that Mark and Luke are better for unbelievers to learn about Jesus, Mark being full of what Jesus did, and Luke full of words, stories like the prodigal son.

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    Prove it.
    Research it yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    The "Gospel" of John was written towards the end of his life and was to counteract a heresy going around (and still exists in the JW's) that Jesus was a God rather than the truth that Jesus was God.
    So people are supposed to believe your comment and wherever you got it from above Colonels quote of John's own writing

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Research it yourself.
    Noone here is going to take your word for it.

    In addition to the quote from John 20:30-31, we have the testimony of the church father Eusebius :

    "But, last of all, JOHN, perceiving that the external facts had been made plain in the Gospel, being urged by his friends, and inspired by the Spirit, composed a spiritual Gospel." This is the account of Clement." (Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History 6.14.5-7).

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