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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Only 35 mentions of love...that is plenty to verify doctrine and declare God's character of love
    "God is love" should be ample actually. The Bible doesn't equate God to that many words.

    "God is"
    "God is light"
    "God is spirit"

    That's four, there aren't that many more.

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    Now you changed the conditions from "explicitly in the context of God" to "in general". There are 504 mentions of love in the NKJV.

    BibleGateway - Keyword Search: love
    Which is why I specifically said "I didn't look at the context but ...".

    I found this interesting quote recently: "(people) talk much about God's love, but not His wrath and holiness; much of how deprived of good things people are, but not about their depravity; much about that God wants to give us, but nothing about the necessity of obedience to Him; much about health and happiness, but nothing about holiness and sacrifice".

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Which is why I specifically said "I didn't look at the context but ...".
    Which made the comparison pointless.

    I found this interesting quote recently: "(people) talk much about God's love, but not His wrath and holiness; much of how deprived of good things people are, but not about their depravity; much about that God wants to give us, but nothing about the necessity of obedience to Him; much about health and happiness, but nothing about holiness and sacrifice".
    That's not the case on this forum.

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    John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
    15 that the elect will believe in Him and not perish but have eternal life.
    16 For God so loved the elect that He gave His only begotten Son, that the elect will believe in Him and not perish but have everlasting life.
    17 For God did not send His Son into the world of the elect to condemn the world of the elect, but that the world of the elect through Him will be saved.
    Where is that in the book Colonel? I must of missed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    But one slight correction (I could mention more), the above is who the sentence is about. John is writing to, the book is directed towards mature Christians.
    Did the apostle John tell you he wrote his gospel for mature Christians ....did he tell Calvinists

    What about the many churches who give the gospel of John to new believers after they make a confession of faith or the many that have read John and come to faith

    Calvinism twists the pure love of God into a humanistic love based on man made doctrine

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Where is that in the book Colonel? I must of missed it.
    I didn't say that that is in the book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Did the apostle John tell you he wrote his gospel for nature Christians ....did he tell Calvinists

    What about the many churches who give the gospel of John to new believers after they make a confession of faith or the many that have read John and come to faith

    Calvinism twists the pure love of God into a humanistic love based on man made doctrine
    In general they want lots of passages to have "the Christians" / "the elect" as their only context. So why not declare the entire gospel of John as directed at "mature Christians" only ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Which is why I specifically said "I didn't look at the context but ...".

    I found this interesting quote recently: "(people) talk much about God's love, but not His wrath and holiness; much of how deprived of good things people are, but not about their depravity; much about that God wants to give us, but nothing about the necessity of obedience to Him; much about health and happiness, but nothing about holiness and sacrifice".
    Because God desires obedience that stems from love and relationship whereas Calvinism is cold hard legalistic obedience that is the LOWEST form of obedience

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    That's not the case on this forum.
    That is good, one should always look at God's "wrath and holiness", people's "depravity", "the necessity of obedience to" God and "about holiness and sacrifice" in a Biblical, and except for depravity, positive light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    In general they want lots of passages to have "the Christians" / "the elect" as their only context. So why not declare the entire gospel of John as directed at "mature Christians" only ?
    They sadly twist scripture to suit their mental gymnastics ...cults do the same

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