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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    First something Arminian and then later Calvinism, I get it.
    Glad you recognise that reformed theology is sound doctrine , but seriously preaching the Gospel is the first rule in reformed theology because that is at the heart of God drawing people to Him and saving them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Do babies choose to sin???
    They are sinful be nature.

    My opinion.

    JMac believes babies do not go to hell.

    I'm not yet convinced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    They are sinful be nature.

    My opinion.

    JMac believes babies do not go to hell.

    I'm not yet convinced.

    Regardless you believe a demonic doctrine

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    Regardless you believe a demonic doctrine
    The Doctrine that God is Sovereign over all His creation is demonic?

    Matt 12:36 "But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgement."

    (I say that because saying you believe something is incorrect is one thing. Saying it's demonic is up so many levels and you need to be very, very sure of yourself).
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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Similar to me. It was 15 years before I came across reformed theology. Now this
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    I wouldn't dare to declare any of the above about someone just because they happen to believe in Arminian theology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Glad you recognise that reformed theology is sound doctrine , but seriously preaching the Gospel is the first rule in reformed theology because that is at the heart of God drawing people to Him and saving them.
    It follows from what you said, you don't preach Calvinism to sinners, instead you preach something Arminian. Then you introduce Calvinism later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    It follows from what you said, you don't preach Calvinism to sinners, instead you preach something Arminian. Then you introduce Calvinism later.
    That statement implies that you lack some understanding of reformed theology.

    What is preached to sinners is the Gospel of repentance, that they are sinners under God's wrath; and in need of a Saviour; and are to repent of their sin.

    What's behind that, the sinfulness of man; who God calls, and how; your security in Christ etc. makes no sense to sinners and is taught to believers so that they can understand the wonder and majesty of their Father God.

  9. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    God sends babies to burn eternally because they were born in sin - that is what you want to believe to support your doctrine.
    non-reformed theology says that people have to choose to accept Jesus. A baby can't do that TT. This means that non-reformed people have to come up with a different way of getting babies to heaven. They do this "to support their doctrine".

    reformed theology teaches that God chooses who goes to heaven. If He chooses a child then, as with an adult, He has shown that person mercy. If not he has shown that person justice. The same applies for everyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    You will accept anything as long as it supports your Calvinist doctrine - the belief that babies are in hell is pure demonic and you are too blind to see
    Na,

    Psalms says "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me" and "The wicked are estranged from the womb; they go astray from birth, speaking lies". The Apostle Paul said "just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned".

    The idea that babies are somehow innocent is not Biblical. At least the Catholics only apply it to Mary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    The Doctrine that God is Sovereign over all His creation is demonic?

    Matt 12:36 "But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgement."

    (I say that because saying you believe something is incorrect is one thing. Saying it's demonic is up so many levels and you need to be very, very sure of yourself).
    I am very very sure that babies go to heaven and any other teaching that contradicts that is demonic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    I am very very sure that babies go to heaven
    Well that's what people want to believe TT and many do.

    In reality (almost) everyone thinks of their deceased relatives being in heaven. I attend a funeral a week (7 in 4 days 2 weeks ago) and even the evilest person is spoken about as "being in heaven", even if there is no mention of God anywhere in the service. "So an so's up there causing a racket with Grandma". Not likely, and sometimes I'd love to yell out "NO HE'S NOT AND NEITHER WILL YOU BE".

    I believe babies can got to heaven; I believe some do; Could all babies be in heaven? Yes, but I've not seen enough Biblical evidence to convince me of that. And I can believe it without comprising my beliefs in the sinfulness of man and salvation.

    Here's some words from someone supporting your view:
    One major theological argument in favour of heaven as the eternal home of infants is that we are saved by grace, but damned by works. Whenever Scripture describes those who will inhabit hell, the emphasis is on their wilful sin and rebellion against God (1 Cor 6:9-10, Eph 5:5, etc.). Listen to the account of the Great White Throne Judgement: "And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books...And they were judged, each one according to his works." (Rev 20:12-13) Infants, young children, and the mentally handicapped who have the capacity of children do not fully understand the difference between right and wrong, between God's law and God's grace, so they do not have wilful sin.
































    Gotta warn you though, those words were written by a "Calvinist".

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