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    Did Jesus Blind Paul?

    Did Jesus Blind Paul?
    And Does this Prove that God Inflicts Sickness?


    By Troy J. Edwards

    It is well-known by the most casual Bible reader (or church attendee) that Paul was an enemy of the church before becoming one of the greatest servants of Jesus Christ. Furthermore, most are familiar with the circumstances of his conversion. However, let us refer to Luke's account as a reminder ....

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    Sickness is not from God, but God can use it. Now, before you get triggered, let me explain. Sickness is a result of the Fall. It is a byproduct of the fallen nature of our human condition. However, I have learned as Paul did, that sickness can and is used by God as a means to heal us spiritually of spiritual sicknesses.

    And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong. 2 Corinthians 12:7-10 (KJV)

    Here paul recounts that in hsi sickness, instead of a supernatural miraculous healing, he received the revelation of the grace of God to keep through it. I can say this is true because of several incidents in my own life where, in my sickness, God showed His grace to keep me through.In November of 2017, I suffered from a diabetic wound on my foot that took me off of work for 6 weeks. I was in the Oneness cult back and forth, and during that time, God healed my heart and began to show me deliverance. If I had not been down, I would not have been healed, and knowing the way I was going, I would have ended up dead by now because of depression and burnout.

    God does NOT send sickness. No, He does not, and any theologians who says He does is not speaking the truth. But, I understand now as Paul taught in these verses:

    Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
    Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:34-39 (KJV)

    Grace, Shalom, and Maranatha in Jesus name.
    William M. (Bill) Price

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    Did the Holy Spirit bring about the blindness of Elymas?


    Acts 13:6-12 New King James Version (NKJV)

    6 Now when they had gone through the island to Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew whose name was Bar-Jesus, 7 who was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, an intelligent man. This man called for Barnabas and Saul and sought to hear the word of God. 8 But Elymas the sorcerer (for so his name is translated) withstood them, seeking to turn the proconsul away from the faith. 9 Then Saul, who also is called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked intently at him 10 and said, "O full of all deceit and all fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease perverting the straight ways of the Lord? 11 And now, indeed, the hand of the Lord is upon you, and you shall be blind, not seeing the sun for a time."

    And immediately a dark mist fell on him, and he went around seeking someone to lead him by the hand. 12 Then the proconsul believed, when he saw what had been done, being astonished at the teaching of the Lord.


    And did Gabriel make Zacharias mute?

    Luke 1:13-22 New King James Version (NKJV)

    13 But the angel said to him, "Do not be afraid, Zacharias, for your prayer is heard; and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you shall call his name John. 14 And you will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth. 15 For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink. He will also be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb. 16 And he will turn many of the children of Israel to the Lord their God. 17 He will also go before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, 'to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children,' and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."

    18 And Zacharias said to the angel, "How shall I know this? For I am an old man, and my wife is well advanced in years."

    19 And the angel answered and said to him, "I am Gabriel, who stands in the presence of God, and was sent to speak to you and bring you these glad tidings. 20 But behold, you will be mute and not able to speak until the day these things take place, because you did not believe my words which will be fulfilled in their own time."

    21 And the people waited for Zacharias, and marveled that he lingered so long in the temple. 22 But when he came out, he could not speak to them; and they perceived that he had seen a vision in the temple, for he beckoned to them and remained speechless.



    And what about Herod? Did he die because an angel of the Lord struck him?


    Acts 12:20-24 New King James Version (NKJV)
    Herod's Violent Death

    20 Now Herod had been very angry with the people of Tyre and Sidon; but they came to him with one accord, and having made Blastus the king's personal aide their friend, they asked for peace, because their country was supplied with food by the king's country.

    21 So on a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat on his throne and gave an oration to them. 22 And the people kept shouting, "The voice of a god and not of a man!" 23 Then immediately an angel of the Lord struck him, because he did not give glory to God. And he was eaten by worms and died.

    24 But the word of God grew and multiplied.

    I don't think we can put God in a box so easily. He is Holy. Some men's sins are dealt with in this life, before they reap eternal judgment. Just some thoughts I had as I was reading this interesting thread.


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    Does God actively judge Satan for eternity or who is going to do that ?

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    The blinding of Saul wasn't a sickness/illness or disease - it was a specific judgment to reveal to him how blind he was to the gospel and was instrumental in those 3 days of making him humble and repentant and prepared him for future ministry

    If satan did it then -

    1. satan knew the exact immediate time and location that God would speak to Paul making satan himself omniscient.

    2. God's power was at work with a blinding light, a strong voice and dunamis power to strike Paul to the ground. We see 3 amazing acts of God yet the 4th act was satan. How does satan interject himself immediately and powerfully into a work God Almighty is initiating and doing - making satan omnipotent

    3. While Paul was blind God was already speaking to him and in the blindness he could fully 100% concentrate on Gods work in his heart to prepare him for the future
    If he wasn't blind he would be distracted by others wanting to talk and communicate with him but God wanted that time for himself to deal with Paul's heart
    Paul even had a vision while he was blind - why didn't God just heal Paul yet is giving Paul a vision

    4. Not once in Paul's testimony later in Acts does Paul ever mention satan blinding him but his testimony is that the whole encounter was initiated by God

    From the 4 conclusions above it is clear that satan did not afflict Paul with any sickness/disease or illness

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    The blinding of Saul wasn't a sickness/illness or disease...
    That's how I always explain it when somebody brings it up. Scales covered his eyes until he was prayed for (and I did read the scales explanation in what VW wrote). It think it was actually real scales due to the same word is used in the Greek in the Septuagint (Greek translation of OT) when talking about fish scales. But again, that's neither here nor there. The simple explanation was it wasn't sickness or disease blindness. It was just the equivalent of somebody covering up ones eyes, but with scales.

    I also have another way of dealing with these issues where people say God made somebody sick. Though this with Paul rarely comes up. It's mostly the man born blind in the NT supposedly to glorify God (that can be explained away with simple translator punctuation in the wrong place, there is no punctuation in the original Greek so it's at the discretion of the translators) and Job. I make this point because many aren't going to accept it wasn't God, although I do try to explain that.

    I just say, ok, let just say God did make them sick (and again I do try to teach them on that). That's not the point. The point is Job was HEALED and got twice as much in the end, and the man born blind was HEALED. You're trying to use these examples of God making someone sick, but they are examples of people who were HEALED. So if you fancy yourself as a 'poor ole Job' or having been born the way you are to glorify God, then you need to start shouting and dancing because your healing is assured, because they were both HEALED. See, nobody that believes God makes people sick ever looks at these example from a healing standpoint which is really the bottom line when all is said and done. They were HEALED. James mentions the END of Job and God's mercy.

    People trying to use these example of God making people sick are no more than annoying gnat to me, easy to brush away. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    The blinding of Saul wasn't a sickness/illness or disease - it was a specific judgment to reveal to him how blind he was to the gospel and was instrumental in those 3 days of making him humble and repentant and prepared him for future ministry

    If satan did it then -

    1. satan knew the exact immediate time and location that God would speak to Paul making satan himself omniscient.

    2. God's power was at work with a blinding light, a strong voice and dunamis power to strike Paul to the ground. We see 3 amazing acts of God yet the 4th act was satan. How does satan interject himself immediately and powerfully into a work God Almighty is initiating and doing - making satan omnipotent

    3. While Paul was blind God was already speaking to him and in the blindness he could fully 100% concentrate on Gods work in his heart to prepare him for the future
    If he wasn't blind he would be distracted by others wanting to talk and communicate with him but God wanted that time for himself to deal with Paul's heart
    Paul even had a vision while he was blind - why didn't God just heal Paul yet is giving Paul a vision

    4. Not once in Paul's testimony later in Acts does Paul ever mention satan blinding him but his testimony is that the whole encounter was initiated by God

    From the 4 conclusions above it is clear that satan did not afflict Paul with any sickness/disease or illness
    Maybe Paul was blinded by the glory of the Lord's brightness during that encounter.
    As he journeyed he came near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven.

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    So, what of Elymas, Zacharias & Herod?

    From my reading of those accounts, I would say: The same Holy Spirit who laid Ananias and Saphira out dead temporarily blinded Elymas. Gabriel temporarily muted Zacharias, and an angel of the Lord struck Herod and he died.


    Would Paul's pronouncement to Elymas be any different than Jesus cursing the fig tree? The same Spirit lives in us.

    Would Ananias and Saphira have dropped dead if Peter didn't speak it?

    And when we go back and look at the OT, what about all the soldiers that Elijah called fire down from heaven on and killed them?

    I am not saying that we can blame any sickness on God. I am saying that there are times when God or His express agents do strike or even kill individuals, at least according to His Word. We can't put Him in a box and say that He "never" does these things.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    So, what of Elymas, Zacharias & Herod?

    From my reading of those accounts, I would say: The same Holy Spirit who laid Ananias and Saphira out dead temporarily blinded Elymas. Gabriel temporarily muted Zacharias, and an angel of the Lord struck Herod and he died.


    Would Paul's pronouncement to Elymas be any different than Jesus cursing the fig tree? The same Spirit lives in us.

    Would Ananias and Saphira have dropped dead if Peter didn't speak it?

    And when we go back and look at the OT, what about all the soldiers that Elijah called fire down from heaven on and killed them?

    I am not saying that we can blame any sickness on God. I am saying that there are times when God or His express agents do strike or even kill individuals, at least according to His Word. We can't put Him in a box and say that He "never" does these things.


    I agree with you ...these are specific judgments God can do because his God. It doesn't make him unjust

    Most of the time God has set in place the law of reaping and sowing as the main form of judgement but as the Almighty he can also intervene in specific occasions to execute judgement

    You bring up a good point with the fig tree - Jesus pronounced death to it. This doesn't contradict his goodness or negates he is the God of life.
    Neither was it satan who pounced on Jesus word's of death to the fig tree and was the one who actually killed the tree

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