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    Rape isn't about sex, it's about power. I don't think David "forced himself" on Bathsheba, but he was the king.. what was she gonna do, say no? Yeah, he was 100% at fault. He could have anything he wanted, if he was denied he had the power to make her life very difficult. He ended up having her husband killed to cover up his dirty deed...so I think David certainly "violated" her but not in the way we're prone to think.

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    the definition of "rape" doesn't necessarily mean violent force.

    Yeah, he may have been Mr Charming, but it was still rape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    I asked my wife about David and Bathsheba and if Bathsheba had any blame

    I believe my wife had a wise answer by referring to prophet Nathans rebuke.
    There is no mention of Bathsheba being rebuked by Nathan as God placed the blame 100% on David
    Bathsheba did suffer by losing her baby and that was it - but God blamed David for the baby dying

    My wife also said that Nathan called Bathsheba a 'lamb' not a sheep in the parable. A lamb is harmless and innocent.

    Without being dogmatic there is at least from Nathan's parable a reasonable assumption she was innocent
    The sins of the common people were too many for the prophet Nathan to be sent to each one of them to rebuke them. But the personal sins of the king and maybe some other prominent people would be. Especially if they involved murder which was the case with king David. So I don't think it says anything about the guilt of Bathsheba. Her husband was just one of thousands of foot soldiers and the only reason why king David was interested in her was because he saw her naked body by happenstance.

    The description of the lamb is one of a small pet that the poor man finds comfort in. A sheep would be too large to be treated like that :

    2 Sam 12:3 But the poor man had nothing, except one little ewe lamb which he had bought and nourished; and it grew up together with him and with his children. It ate of his own food and drank from his own cup and lay in his bosom; and it was like a daughter to him.

    I doubt if you can find the modern notion of "the innocent lamb" in the Bible. Lambs aren't described that way. Some of them were without blemish and therefore fit for sacrifice but that attribute isn't involved in the metaphor Nathan used.

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    We're looking at this from a 21st century perspective. Let's say it is rape, and I have no problem interpreting it that way. So what? Now what? Nothing changes. Like I said, just some heathens wanting to disparage the Bible in some way in this liberal culture. And don't forget in spite of this he was still a 'man after My own heart.' Jesus died for David too. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    We're looking at this from a 21st century perspective. Let's say it is rape, and I have no problem interpreting it that way. So what? Now what? Nothing changes. Like I said, just some heathens wanting to disparage the Bible in some way in this liberal culture. And don't forget in spite of this he was still a 'man after My own heart.' Jesus died for David too. :)
    Oh absolutely. I think it's part of why David is so accessible. He always recognized his sin and then repented.
    I think he also really came to love and cherish Bathsheba.
    She's the only one who had more than one child.

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    I recognize there are people who want to use David and Bathsheba to make political points and disparage God and the scriptures - their views are similar to the Pharisees who want to point the finger without wanting the truth


    There is a poignant message for all leaders about abusing authority.
    When we look at the verses in context they do reveal more than just sexual immorality

    2 Sam 12:9 - Why have you despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in His sight? You have killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword; you have taken his wife to be your wife, and have killed him with the sword of the people of Ammon.
    v10 - Now therefore, the sword shall never depart from your house, because you have despised Me, and have taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your wife.'
    v11 - Thus says the LORD: 'Behold, I will raise up adversity against you from your own house; and I will take your wives before your eyes and give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun.

    Look how God uses taken 3 times. The word taken in v9 & 10 is the same Hebrew word as take in v11

    Taken is used to describe David's action toward Bathsheba in v9. As a once off it can be debated it was either a forced taken or a more general use of the word
    God then uses it again in v10 in a context of serious abuse and then God uses it more harshly in v11 of terrible judgement because of David's abuse
    David's wives will be taken and raped - that is the actual judgement

    Reading all 3 verses in context it implies strongly that taken in this story is a very serious word not just a general submission by Bathseba - one can rightly believe that God saw David's action as a forced rape
    I don't believe David did use violence but God saw it that way considering his kingship as he represented God as the highest anointed vessel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Femme* View Post
    Oh absolutely. I think it's part of why David is so accessible. He always recognized his sin and then repented.
    I think he also really came to love and cherish Bathsheba.
    She's the only one who had more than one child.

    We all love David and what he represents but he lived in his sin for many months and covered it up.
    God was wanting him to make a confession before he sent Nathan. Once Nathan confronted him he immediately repented.

    IMO if he repented BEFORE Nathan came to him he still would be judged but not as harshly.

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    Funny how whoever is bringing this up forgets the murder. Well, on second thought it makes sense in this day and age and what people major on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Funny how whoever is bringing this up forgets the murder. Well, on second thought it makes sense in this day and age and what people major on.
    I decided to ignore the pc crowd and answer as if a genuine believer had asked the question sincerely.
    The pc crowd will concentrate on that which fuels their agenda and of course David and Bathsheba fits their narrative and agenda.


    I haven't forgot the murder as it is especially horrid to God but only addressed the sexual sin as that was part of the OP.
    I did a study on it many years ago and saw things I hadn't seen previously nor had heard any preaching on its significance. There are powerful truths around what happened to Uriah.

    I can remember FO commmenting on some things I previously wrote on this forum years ago regarding David and Uriah ...not sure if she still remembers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    I recognize there are people who want to use David and Bathsheba to make political points and disparage God and the scriptures - their views are similar to the Pharisees who want to point the finger without wanting the truth


    There is a poignant message for all leaders about abusing authority.
    When we look at the verses in context they do reveal more than just sexual immorality

    2 Sam 12:9 - Why have you despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in His sight? You have killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword; you have taken his wife to be your wife, and have killed him with the sword of the people of Ammon.
    v10 - Now therefore, the sword shall never depart from your house, because you have despised Me, and have taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your wife.'
    v11 - Thus says the LORD: 'Behold, I will raise up adversity against you from your own house; and I will take your wives before your eyes and give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun.

    Look how God uses taken 3 times. The word taken in v9 & 10 is the same Hebrew word as take in v11

    Taken is used to describe David's action toward Bathsheba in v9. As a once off it can be debated it was either a forced taken or a more general use of the word
    God then uses it again in v10 in a context of serious abuse and then God uses it more harshly in v11 of terrible judgement because of David's abuse
    David's wives will be taken and raped - that is the actual judgement

    Reading all 3 verses in context it implies strongly that taken in this story is a very serious word not just a general submission by Bathseba - one can rightly believe that God saw David's action as a forced rape
    I don't believe David did use violence but God saw it that way considering his kingship as he represented God as the highest anointed vessel.
    I tend to interpret "taken" to not refer to his act of having sex with her but rather to the process that started when he discovered that she was pregnant and now he had to kill her husband and take her as his wife to cover up the affair. If she had not become pregnant then she would have remained Uriah's wife and the affair would probably never have become known to him.

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