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Originally Posted by
fuego
Not while walking the earth He didn't. He operated under the limitations of a man. Jesus was not omniscient, omnipotent, or any other omni while walking the earth. He did everything as a man anointed by the Holy Spirit. If He did it any other way, then He wasn't an example for us and sons of God, and the example of something we could follow. When He came though that womb it He was divested of all means of ability that came as Almighty God. This is what it means when the Bible says He 'emptied' Himself.
That God the Son took upon Himself a real human nature is a crucial doctrine of Christianity. But we must distinguish between the two natures (divine and human) of Jesus without separating them. When Jesus was thirsty, or felt hunger, it was a manifestation of the human nature and not the divine. At the mount of transfiguration (Mt 17:1-13) we see a manifestation His divine nature.
In His humanity Jesus had the same limitations common to all human beings, except He was without sin. As a man, He entered our situation to act as our Redeemer. He became our substitute, taking upon Himself our sins in order to suffer in our place, and yet fulfilled the law of God on our behalf.
And your correct fuego, in His human nature He was not omniscient, as He was in the eternal realm of knowing everything. Yet I believe our Lord while on earth was aware of many things, understood many things, and comprehended many things that the people He lived with could not grasp. Even at the age of 12, those in the temple, were amazed at His understanding and His answers (Lk 2:47). Yet, I'm sure fuego, that we can both agree His knowledge, though true and accurate as far as it went, was not infinite. Of coarse, within the eternal sphere, in His divine nature, He is omniscient and His knowledge is without limit. This is what I was referring to in post #7. As a human being Jesus sweated, He hungered, He wept. He endured pain. He was mortal, capable of suffering death. In all these respects He was like us (minus the sin nature).
If you put God First, you have Him at Last.
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Originally Posted by
Smitty
That God the Son took upon Himself a real human nature is a crucial doctrine of Christianity. But we must distinguish between the two natures (divine and human) of Jesus without separating them. When Jesus was thirsty, or felt hunger, it was a manifestation of the human nature and not the divine. At the mount of transfiguration (Mt 17:1-13) we see a manifestation His divine nature.
In His humanity Jesus had the same limitations common to all human beings, except He was without sin. As a man, He entered our situation to act as our Redeemer. He became our substitute, taking upon Himself our sins in order to suffer in our place, and yet fulfilled the law of God on our behalf.
And your correct fuego, in His human nature He was not omniscient, as He was in the eternal realm of knowing everything. Yet I believe our Lord while on earth was aware of many things, understood many things, and comprehended many things that the people He lived with could not grasp. Even at the age of 12, those in the temple, were amazed at His understanding and His answers (Lk 2:47). Yet, I'm sure fuego, that we can both agree His knowledge, though true and accurate as far as it went, was not infinite. Of coarse, within the eternal sphere, in His divine nature, He is omniscient and His knowledge is without limit. This is what I was referring to in post #7. As a human being Jesus sweated, He hungered, He wept. He endured pain. He was mortal, capable of suffering death. In all these respects He was like us (minus the sin nature).
It seems we're in agreement if I'm reading this correctly, as you even made a few points that I made in my original post. Your first post sounded more ambiguous compared to what you just posted. He did know things as I and others said in their posts. But he learned them the same way we learn them, by revelation of the Holy Spirit. He was taught just as we are taught through revelation and spiritual understanding that comes from the Holy Spirit.
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Originally Posted by
fuego
It seems we're in agreement if I'm reading this correctly, as you even made a few points that I made in my original post. Your first post sounded more ambiguous compared to what you just posted. He did know things as I and others said in their posts. But he learned them the same way we learn them, by revelation of the Holy Spirit. He was taught just as we are taught through revelation and spiritual understanding that comes from the Holy Spirit.
If he had employed his divine powers as the Son of God at any point then he would not have been "found in the appearance of man". The Holy Spirit was his divine power and that serves as an example to us.
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Originally Posted by
Colonel
If he had employed his divine powers as the Son of God at any point then he would not have been "found in the appearance of man". The Holy Spirit was his divine power and that serves as an example to us.
Yep.
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Originally Posted by
Colonel
If he had employed his divine powers as the Son of God at any point then he would not have been "found in the appearance of man". The Holy Spirit was his divine power and that serves as an example to us.
And if you notice, the Lord operated in all the gifts without measure.
He also filled all the 5 fold offices.
One sent(Apostle)
Prophet
Evangelist
Shepherd(Pastor)
Teacher
He new the Scriptures because He studied and memorized them beginning at a young age.
I'm sure He knew Isaiah Chapter 53 was prophesied and speaking of Himself.
If you put God First, you have Him at Last.
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