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Originally Posted by
victoryword
With all due respect to Melody and the late Keith Green who I have no doubt was a man of God, the idea that God would "take" Keith by killing him and hundreds of others in a plane crash truly does nothing to advance the gospel but rather hinders it and deters people from a God who would act in such cruelty.
What about the others that was on that plane with Keith who were not saved and ended up in hell? What about the thousands, perhaps even millions more people that Keith Green could have reached through his music and ministry? Does anyone EVER think about these things when they make such asinine statements?
Why would God need to "take" anybody? He already has us.
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Originally Posted by
Colonel
God failed to protect him supernaturally. There's always the question of why he doesn't always do that.
God failed.....
Yeah now that's a thick piece of sorry theology.
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Originally Posted by
Smitty
David Wilkerson was killed on 4-27-11 on a road in east Texas. He apparently crossed the center line as he swerved into a logging truck on the opposite side of the highway. Rev. Wilkerson did not have his seat belt on, yet his wife did which probably saved her life. I have actually heard a preacher say that "God took him." Excuse me! Was God driving the car in which he died in? No!
I don't know why Mr. Wilkerson swerved into that truck. I don't know if he was trying to avoid an animal on the road, or if he dosed off at the wheel. I don't know what the mental frame of David's mind was, or if he was suffering from depression and that this tragic accident was a deliberate decision which he made in the final seconds before impact to end it all. What I do know is that God did not take David Wilkerson on that horrible and sad day in which he was killed. God gets far to much blame for events that He has nothing to do with. Even the insurance policies state "destruction" are acts of God. The satanic kingdom and the power of darkness is behind acts of destruction and the killing of human beings by whatever means they can use.
AMEN!!!
I am a big fan of the work God did through David Wilkerson with Teen Challenge (recently read his "Cross and Switchblade" autobiography) and believe that he was a man who sacrificed much for the gospel. However, we can too often make such great men into "heroes" that could never do any wrong. Sadly, we then become audacious in blaming God for the wrong that led to their demise.
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Originally Posted by
A.J.
Thanks for not correcting my spelling and grammar
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Originally Posted by
FireBrand
God failed.....
Yeah now that’s a thick piece of sorry theology.
Exactly. All "failure" is on our part, not God's. But I will give our friend from Norway some slack since English is not his native language and he does good in speaking/writing it otherwise.
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Originally Posted by
victoryword
Exactly. All "failure" is on our part, not God's. But I will give our friend from Norway some slack since English is not his native language and he does good in speaking/writing it otherwise.
He was most likely flowing in that particular narrative. Good call. Colonel hasnt expressed that view that I recall.
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Originally Posted by
victoryword
Exactly. All "failure" is on our part, not God's. But I will give our friend from Norway some slack since English is not his native language and he does good in speaking/writing it otherwise.
Failure isn't neutral enough, okay. Whether he refused or failed or whatever you would call it, it's still an interesting question. Why doesn't God simply protect us supernaturally from situations like that all the time, especially his children who didn't disobey his according commands ?
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Originally Posted by
fuego
But 'God took him'.
Which, incidentally, was the main point, even if I slightly (or maybe not so slightly) over-exaggerated the number of people that may have been on the plane. I don't always do google searches for accuracy when on a discussion forum.
Nonetheless, I accept the correction.
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Originally Posted by
Colonel
Failure isn't neutral enough, okay. Whether he refused or failed or whatever you would call it, it's still an interesting question. Why doesn't God simply protect us supernaturally from situations like that all the time, especially his children who didn't disobey his according commands ?
There are numerous reasons and there is no real mystery involved except that of our own conjuring. But God does not necessarily reveal things about other people to satisfy our personal curiosity.
But there have been times that God, through an inner voice or inward witness, has warned a person not to get on a plane, not to fly, not to travel in a certain direction, etc. The person was either not discerning enough or outright ignored the leading, thus placing themselves in danger.
Along with that there is also the failure of God's people to intercede and pray for people who are in danger (or just pray period), thus allowing God to intervene (since God has given man authority on the earth and God usually works through our prayers). Our failure to pray for the "keith greens" and "david wilkersons" and other men of God has tragic results that we will be held accountable for.
There are many other reasons we could list here. But none of it is due to any desire or approval on God's part for the tragic event to take place.
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Originally Posted by
victoryword
There are numerous reasons and there is no real mystery involved except that of our own conjuring. But God does not necessarily reveal things about other people to satisfy our personal curiosity.
But there have been times that God, through an inner voice or inward witness, has warned a person not to get on a plane, not to fly, not to travel in a certain direction, etc. The person was either not discerning enough or outright ignored the leading, thus placing themselves in danger.
Along with that there is also the failure of God's people to intercede and pray for people who are in danger (or just pray period), thus allowing God to intervene (since God has given man authority on the earth and God usually works through our prayers). Our failure to pray for the "keith greens" and "david wilkersons" and other men of God has tragic results that we will be held accountable for.
There are many other reasons we could list here. But none of it is due to any desire or approval on God's part for the tragic event to take place.
Good post.
I think a question to ponder might be "Is God OBLIGATED to protect His children?" If not, then under what circumstances is He 'obligated'? Or is He ever 'obligated' at all?
There seems to be scriptures that say He is, BUT, there always if not most of the time seem to be 'conditions'. If so, what are these conditions?
For example, take Psalm 91. From reading that it seems that we are under complete protection IF we meet the conditions. Can any one of us say that we perfectly live the conditions of Psalm 91? And as you pointed out, and Colonel brought up, (especially his children who didn't disobey his according commands) and you saying God doesn't necessarily reveal things to us about others (I remember Hagin saying once when he saw Jesus and asked why something happened to a particular person that Jesus told him it 'was none of your business'), we never know somebody's heart. We never know they're personal life. Even if we lived with them and everything seemed outwardly perfect, again, we still don't know the heart.
And there is also an interesting point that Bookie brings up from time to time. And I think I'm interpreting his question right. If we say 'God protected me' in a certain situation, then couldn't we equally say 'God didn't protect me' in a situation that seems like He didn't 'show up'? There are just a lot of theological questions surrounding this whole subject. The questions can go on and on.
You can answer them in your next post.
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