Thread: Submit or not!

Romans 13 describes a government that honors those who do good and that punishes wrongdoers. Some regimes do pretty much the opposite and most governments don't always follow the description.

That's the deal about formulating biblical principles - there's the full scope of information to consider.

Rom 12
5 So Peter was kept in prison, but the church was earnestly praying to God for him.

6 The night before Herod was to bring him to trial, Peter was sleeping between two soldiers, bound with two chains, and sentries stood guard at the entrance. 7 Suddenly an angel of the Lord appeared and a light shone in the cell. He struck Peter on the side and woke him up. “Quick, get up!” he said, and the chains fell off Peter’s wrists.

8 Then the angel said to him, “Put on your clothes and sandals.” And Peter did so. “Wrap your cloak around you and follow me,” the angel told him. 9 Peter followed him out of the prison, but he had no idea that what the angel was doing was really happening; he thought he was seeing a vision. 10 They passed the first and second guards and came to the iron gate leading to the city. It opened for them by itself, and they went through it. When they had walked the length of one street, suddenly the angel left him.

11 Then Peter came to himself and said, “Now I know without a doubt that the Lord has sent his angel and rescued me from Herod’s clutches and from everything the Jewish people were hoping would happen.”

Sounds like Peter "broke the law" by escaping from prison, and the angel pushed him to do it - just throwing that in. Somebody else can provide the answer here - I'm taking a theological analysis break...

Originally Posted by Smitty

I'm not familiar with the Norwegian government regulations. Is there anything in your system of government that you disagree with or would resist because of biblical reasons Colonel?

I don't know how much I would resist the government as it is now but we have the usual immoral laws that you have except we haven't legalized any drugs yet. They are sometimes good at failing to convict obvious criminals, that comes under failing to "punish the wrongdoer" even if the appropriate law is technically in place.

Originally Posted by Jonathan david

That's the deal about formulating biblical principles - there's the full scope of information to consider.

Rom 12
5 So Peter was kept in prison, but the church was earnestly praying to God for him.

6 The night before Herod was to bring him to trial, Peter was sleeping between two soldiers, bound with two chains, and sentries stood guard at the entrance. 7 Suddenly an angel of the Lord appeared and a light shone in the cell. He struck Peter on the side and woke him up. “Quick, get up!” he said, and the chains fell off Peter’s wrists.

8 Then the angel said to him, “Put on your clothes and sandals.” And Peter did so. “Wrap your cloak around you and follow me,” the angel told him. 9 Peter followed him out of the prison, but he had no idea that what the angel was doing was really happening; he thought he was seeing a vision. 10 They passed the first and second guards and came to the iron gate leading to the city. It opened for them by itself, and they went through it. When they had walked the length of one street, suddenly the angel left him.

11 Then Peter came to himself and said, “Now I know without a doubt that the Lord has sent his angel and rescued me from Herod’s clutches and from everything the Jewish people were hoping would happen.”

Sounds like Peter "broke the law" by escaping from prison, and the angel pushed him to do it - just throwing that in. Somebody else can provide the answer here - I'm taking a theological analysis break...

In this case their government chose to punish the one who did good, the exact opposite of the definition for God given government in Romans 13.

I see these passages as the same concept of submission in marriage...it is submission to Christ Jesus as LORD...entrusting and trusting.

I disagree that it is speaking of 'good' or Godly leaders as the passages were written when Jews and even gentiles were under an evil regime.

Thirdly the Biblical history of Christians shows ZERO resistance or support of such a resistance.

Through repentance and submission God works our outward circumstances...

God MAY call, by His Spirit, a resistance but other than the OT opposition and attacks to the seeds of Abraham Christ followers should be VERY cautious they are not rebelling rather than listening and being sensitive to the Holy Spirit to lead us out...

Originally Posted by Jonathan david

That's the deal about formulating biblical principles - there's the full scope of information to consider.

Rom 12
5 So Peter was kept in prison, but the church was earnestly praying to God for him.

6 The night before Herod was to bring him to trial, Peter was sleeping between two soldiers, bound with two chains, and sentries stood guard at the entrance. 7 Suddenly an angel of the Lord appeared and a light shone in the cell. He struck Peter on the side and woke him up. “Quick, get up!” he said, and the chains fell off Peter’s wrists.

8 Then the angel said to him, “Put on your clothes and sandals.” And Peter did so. “Wrap your cloak around you and follow me,” the angel told him. 9 Peter followed him out of the prison, but he had no idea that what the angel was doing was really happening; he thought he was seeing a vision. 10 They passed the first and second guards and came to the iron gate leading to the city. It opened for them by itself, and they went through it. When they had walked the length of one street, suddenly the angel left him.

11 Then Peter came to himself and said, “Now I know without a doubt that the Lord has sent his angel and rescued me from Herod’s clutches and from everything the Jewish people were hoping would happen.”

Sounds like Peter "broke the law" by escaping from prison, and the angel pushed him to do it - just throwing that in. Somebody else can provide the answer here - I'm taking a theological analysis break...

Peter was given an instruction by his higher authority....it's very easy to justify our actions by comparing our good to other's evil...notice no angel freed Paul and when addressing government leaders he spoke with respect....

Brother Yun escaped prison by supernatural means, apparently by a manifestation of the gift of faith. From wikipedia :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brother_Yun

"After many years in prison, he escaped from Zhengzhou Maximum Security prison from which it is reported that nobody had previously escaped.[5] He described how he heard the voice of the Holy Spirit, telling him to simply walk out the heavily guarded prison gate. Risking being shot to death on the spot, he wrote later that he obeyed the voice, and walked straight through several prison doors that were somehow left open in front of many prison guards, across the prison yard and finally out of the main gate. Yun stated that it was as if he had become invisible to the guards who stared straight through him.[2] Although many expressed doubts that such a thing could happen, some prison guards have lost their jobs for this 'embarrassing mishap.'[2] It is reported that the official investigation by the Chinese Government concluded that "Yun received no human help in his escape."[2] These reports have been confirmed by numerous prisoners who occupied the same prison cell as Yun.[citation needed] He remains the only person to have escaped from this notorious maximum security prison.[6]"