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Originally Posted by
Colonel
Fundamentally a Biblical work is performing what is required according to the law given by Moses.
....FROM a changed heart mind nature....so the term 'perform' would not be my choice....
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Originally Posted by
Quest
....FROM a changed heart mind nature....so the term 'perform' would not be my choice....
I was thinking in terms of "salvation by works". That is salvation by works required by the law. It has nothing to do with "doing something".
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Works has to do with doing something. The seeker must do something. He must come and believe and repent.
Last edited by Nikos; 04-07-2018 at 09:21 PM.
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Originally Posted by
Quest
God ordained from the foundation of the world that all who respond to Jesus, the WAY, TRUTH and LIFE, will be written in the book....not the individuals by name....I believe God knows who will and who will not but this does not change His passionate calling of all...then when all stand before Him facing eternity all know without a doubt the choice was theirs....not His..
God saved us and called us to Himself, not because of our goodness, but because of His own purpose and His unmerited grace in eternity past. Paul says that God is the one "who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of His own purpose and grace, which He gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began"(2 Tim 1:9).
Originally Posted by
Nikos
Faith is an action verb but so is obedience. Anything you do is works. Obedience is something YOU do. You can't slice it up to prove your point. Salvation is without works yet how can you be saved without obedience which is works
We only receive salvation by trusting in the righteousness of Christ because God's law requires perfection, and we are not perfect. As far as faith and good works are concerned, they may be distinguished but never separated. Though our good works add no merit to our faith before God, and though the sole condition of our justification is our faith in Christ, if good works do not follow from our confession of faith, it is a clear indication that we do not possess justifying faith. True justification always results in the process of sanctification. If sanctification does not follow, it is certain that justification was not really present. This does not mean that justification depends and rests upon sanctification. Justification depends on true faith, which in turn will inevitably lead to works of obedience.
Living faith produces good works, but these good works are not the basis for justification. Only the merit achieved by Jesus Christ can justify the sinner. Though our good works do not merit salvation, they are the basis upon which God promises to distribute rewards at the judgment seat (bema) of Christ. Our entrance into the kingdom of God is by faith alone. Our reward in the kingdom will be according to our good works.
If you put God First, you have Him at Last.
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I always leave 'works' discussion feeling like I just listened to the Abbott and Costello 'Who's on first' ...
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Originally Posted by
Quest
I always leave 'works' discussion feeling like I just listened to the Abbott and Costello 'Who's on first' ...
Yeah, that's why there's a time to analyze how the engine "works," and then a time to just drive the car and enjoy the ride.
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Originally Posted by
GCM
Smitty,
Are you a Calvinist, or have Calvinistic leanings? Because if so, you probably already know what you want to believe, then there is no point to the discussion.
But if you really want to know, the truth is that God initiates salvation, but man has to respond. God draws man, but it is man who has to do the coming. God's part was to provide the sacrifice for sins and invite all men to come and receive forgiveness. So the provision is a free gift and is not the work of man. No one had to ascend to heaven, to bring Christ down, and no man had to go to hell, to raise Christ from the dead. God did all that as a gift of grace.
But man has to do something. Man has to believe in his heart, and confess Jesus with his mouth to be saved.
Amen!
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Originally Posted by
JLB
Amen!
Most posters here are found on the Arminian side. I'd term myself a Wesley-Arminian Pentecostal/Charismatic.
How about you ? Are you a Charismatic ? Non-Charismatic ? Anti-Charismatic ? Cessationist ?
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Originally Posted by
Colonel
Most posters here are found on the Arminian side. I'd term myself a Wesley-Arminian Pentecostal/Charismatic.
How about you ? Are you a Charismatic ? Non-Charismatic ? Anti-Charismatic ? Cessationist ?
I'm God's son.
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Originally Posted by
JLB
I’m God’s son.
How do we know...you haven't provided any evidence
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