Thread: More about tithing

Praise God we are not under the law! However, when God speaks he didn't say do the law. He just said it is good to tithe. Tithe means 1/10th. I simply obey the Word in faith. God blesses me beyond my wildest dreams. All Glory to the Father! It is a choice. From God's side, it is irrevocable. He has spoken. But like everything else in the Word of God he gives us a choice to obey or disobey.

Originally Posted by Nikos

Praise God we are not under the law! However, when God speaks he didn't say do the law. He just said it is good to tithe..

No that is not what Jesus said to the Pharisee :

Mat 23:23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

I AM SHOCKED YOU WOULD ONLY QUOTE PART OF THE SCRIPTURE!

Christ endorsed tithe in this scripture:

Matthew 23:23, "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith.

These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone."

He did quote it!

Sorry I must have misread it. Anyway, there it is. You can't deny that Jesus announced that it was good to tithe.
That's good enough for me. Jesus is the eternal Son of God. Whatever he says it is good to listen. It is a dangerous thing to play games with the words of Christ.

This is about all that I have to say about it. The decision is yours. Obey or not. As for me I choose to obey. If it were not true there would be no blessing in giving. But I am a testimony that there is great blessing in obeying Jesus.

The rest is between you and God.

I will not be able to participate any more here. I am glad I won the debate. With Jesus on my side how can I lose?!!!!

I have thought about picking some obscure topic mentioned here and there in the Bible and then creating a doctrine out of it and supporting it using the same logic that tithers use to support their doctrine. "It is spiritually discerned" would be my main slogan. I'd pick a less controlling topic, one involving wearing phylacteries or something like that. I think the result would be hilarious.

Originally Posted by Nikos

Jesus did not give NT approval of mandrakes but he did Tithing. On that basis alone, I will continue to tithe. It is a great blessing to tithe and give unto the Lord!

Matt 22:23
Jesus words -- "These things should have been done without neglecting the others." This passage is not that difficult to understand in its present context. The mastery of elementary matters such as tithing is no excuse to ignore weightier issues. Nonetheless, it is obvious that Jesus believed and taught that tithing was a fundamental aspect of faith.

It is absolutely correct to say that Jesus gave approval of tithing--TO THOSE WHO WERE AT THAT TIME STILL UNDER THE OLD COVENANT LAW.
We cannot build sound doctrine based on taking scriptures out of context. Who was being spoken to, what was being said, and why was it being said to them. The New Covenant had not yet been instituted. Everything prior to the death and resurrection of Jesus was Old Covenant.
When building sound church doctrine we must look at what Jesus taught, and how His disciples/apostles reacted to what He said. We must also look at what they taught to the NT church. Which brings us to the point that tithing was not taught in any of the epistles to the church. What was taught was NT giving. That nobody in the congregation should be without what they have NEED of. They all shared with each other.

Originally Posted by Nikos

Sorry I must have misread it. Anyway, there it is. You can't deny that Jesus announced that it was good to tithe.
That's good enough for me. Jesus is the eternal Son of God. Whatever he says it is good to listen. It is a dangerous thing to play games with the words of Christ.

This is about all that I have to say about it. The decision is yours. Obey or not. As for me I choose to obey. If it were not true there would be no blessing in giving. But I am a testimony that there is great blessing in obeying Jesus.

The rest is between you and God.

I will not be able to participate any more here. I am glad I won the debate. With Jesus on my side how can I lose?!!!!

Jesus did say that it was good to tithe. WHO WAS HE SPEAKING TO? Was He telling the Romans that it is good to tithe? Was He telling the Phillipians that it is good to tithe? Was He telling the Ephesians that it is good to tithe? How about the Galatians? NOPE! But WHY? Because those whom He was addressing in that passage of scripture were JEWS, and they were under a COVENANT with God. This covenant was between them and God. It wasn't between the Romans, Philippians, Ephesians, Galatians and God. THAT covenant ended with Jesus' death. A whole NEW covenant was established with the blood of Jesus. We are under that same covenant. That is why you will not find any teachings directed to ANY of these churches on tithing. Doesn't exist.
WHY does it appear that "tithing works"? Because no matter HOW you give, the LAW OF SOWING AND REAPING applies to you. You are not blessed because you tithe. You are blessed because you give with a willing heart. If you give generously, then you also receive generously. If you give sparingly, then you will also receive sparingly. This is what the apostle Paul taught on giving to the NT church.

If tithing gives you a sense of spiritual accomplishment, keep tithing. No one is telling you to stop. However brother, I would tell you to stop mishandling the scriptures. You are better than that.

God wasn't addressing the NT church or any issues with the NT church through the book of Malachi, and neither was Jesus addressing the NT church when He spoke the words that you insist on using as support for YOUR tithing doctrine.

I would respect your opinion on the matter if you could actually lay down a case for it using the whole counsel of God's Word instead of repeating your "If Jesus said it, it's good enough for me" mantra.

I love you Nikos. And I am sure that you are a wonderful man of God. I also believe that you are sincere in your belief of tithing. However, according to scripture you are sincerely wrong. And just so that you know that I am not speaking to you in an angry or disrespectful manner, here is where I am speaking to you from:

Jesus did say that it was good to tithe. WHO WAS HE SPEAKING TO? Was He telling the Romans that it is good to tithe? Was He telling the Philippians that it is good to tithe? Was He telling the Ephesians that it is good to tithe? How about the Galatians?

The answer is a resounding YES! When the Son of God spoke, he spoke eternal truths. In His words he was speaking principles that everyone of us can take and live by. It was impossible for him to speak to one without speaking to us all. He was God in the flesh. He cannot be categorized into OT and NT. He was and is eternal. You will never go wrong when you follow the instructions of Jesus. He said that It is good to tithe. Because of that I am going to tithe. I don't need anyone telling me otherwise. I am a CHRISTIAN! i follow Jesus. That is my belief. I do not follow Billy Graham, Todd Bentley, Ken Haggin, Ken Copeland, Ezekiel33, or any man. Case closed! I will not change on this.

I am through with this discussion which goes on ad infinitum.