More about tithing

**wheeze** · 11-01-2015, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by Lively Stone

It's a form of religiosity to think that one's good works and gifts are equitable to the tithe.

tithing and giving are not the same. giving and gifts are not the same. gifts can come from giving. and if i am religious because i give then so b it. i will take that over legalism anytime....

**Nikos** · 11-01-2015, 10:17 PM

Tithing has nothing to do with works. It is an act of Faith and Love in obedience to the Lord. It is important to us who consider the words of Jesus of value who said it was good to tithe. It is not an essential for salvation but it is important to the life of Christian who believe that following the Word of Jesus important to the building of a solid foundation in Christ.

**Lively Stone** · 11-02-2015, 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by Farm Truck

Exactly. If you present it as a literal commandment... it becomes a works thing and the New Testament does not present it as a salvation critical commandment.

However, that does not mean it is not God's will for us to tithe... it is.

On some things, He's watching to see who honors Him with the first fruit of their increase out of love, honor, and respect for the Lord and to be put what God is doing in the earth before themselves. Kinda like we should be presenting our bodies as a living sacrifice... something a growing number of Christians thinks is "being religious"

It's not right to put someone under compulsion to give... if we're gonna do that, we may as well start doing what the muslims do, or what the catholics did during the the inquisition, something they could easily return to seeing the spirit catholicism is of.

In the spirit, there is something different about just giving a few offerings versus paying the tithe and then tithing the tithe (see Deuteronomy 26 and notice verse 3 - "go unto the priest that shall be in those days" - God left that open ended, and in our day Jesus is our High Priest which is where we go for mercy and find His presence to help in a time of need)

Amen!

**Lively Stone** · 11-02-2015, 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by wheeze

tithing and giving are not the same. giving and gifts are not the same. gifts can come from giving. and if i am religious because i give then so b it. i will take that over legalism anytime....

Good job. Glad you know the difference.

**Lively Stone** · 11-02-2015, 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by Nikos

Tithing has nothing to do with works. It is an act of Faith and Love in obedience to the Lord. It is important to us who consider the words of Jesus of value who said it was good to tithe. It is not an essential for salvation but it is important to the life of Christian who believe that following the Word of Jesus important to the building of a solid foundation in Christ.

Yep!

**Ezekiel 33** · 11-02-2015, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by Farm Truck

That has to do with attitude... He wasn't speaking of the amount which was addresses in Hebrews where He is receiving the tithe

Tithing is a covenant relationship thing that is an honor to be able to walk in... and yes, there is also offerings so our giving should be more than 10%

But, the first 10% of the gross income belongs to the Lord of those that desire to walk in Covenant with the Lord.

It's not a works things, it's a "I'm honored to be able to honor the Lord with the first fruits of the increase He has blessed me with" and it should be done in prayer because the tithe is money (in times past it may have been goods back when bartering was like money)... but tithing is done with the mouth.

You got the covenant part absolutely correct. But what you missed is that it was the Old Covenant. You know, the one between God and the Hebrews. We now have a new and better covenant, and there is nothing written in the scriptures that teaches that the OT tithe is a part of it.
Still waiting on an actual scriptural foundation to be laid out by you, too.

**Ezekiel 33** · 11-02-2015, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by Nikos

Tithing has nothing to do with works. It is an act of Faith and Love in obedience to the Lord. It is important to us who consider the words of Jesus of value who said it was good to tithe. It is not an essential for salvation but it is important to the life of Christian who believe that following the Word of Jesus important to the building of a solid foundation in Christ.

Tithing has everything to do with works, because it is an extra-biblical teaching. In order to be an "act of Faith and Love in obedience to the Lord", it would have had to been commanded to the NT church.
Jesus said that we will lay our hands on the sick and they will recover. When we lay our hands on the sick, it is an act of faith.
Jesus said that we are to love one another. When we love one another, it is an act of love in obedience to the Lord.

In order for something to be in obedience, we have to be obeying something that we were told to do. There is not one scripture which tells the NT church to tithe. If there were, then there is probably not a person here who would not do it. I know that I would.

So, in all honesty, you cannot say that it is an act of FAITH AND LOVE IN OBEDIENCE TO THE LORD.

Do you also go as far as preaching Malachi to people and telling them that they are robbing God?

**Ezekiel 33** · 11-02-2015, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by Lively Stone

The only people making the biggest noise about tithing are those who refuse to do it. Those who do it are pleased to do so and are happily going about their business, blessed as promised.

Actually, I will always make a big noise about EVERY doctrine that cannot be established with scripture.

The blessings come from the law of sowing and reaping and not the law of the tithe.
I would extend the same challenge to you as I have to Nikos and Farm Truck. If tithing is indeed a NT doctrine, then please lay out the scripture to prove it. Every ACTUAL NT doctrine can be easily proven with NT scripture. Without scriptural proof, you have an IMAGINED NT doctrine.

**Colonel** · 11-02-2015, 10:16 AM

The doctrine of the singular tithe (not the same as the three tithes of the law) originated with and through the formation of the Catholic church. It wasn't fully established as mandatory until the 500s. It is funny how posters here will oppose anything having to do with the Catholic church while perpetuating their doctrine on church finances.

**Quest** · 11-02-2015, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Colonel

The doctrine of the singular tithe (not the same as the three tithes of the law) originated with and through the formation of the Catholic church. It wasn't fully established as mandatory until the 500s. It is funny how posters here will oppose anything having to do with the Catholic church while perpetuating their doctrine on church finances.

The disciples who were under the OT covenant didn't suddenly just stop tithing after Pentecost that we know of. We can be pretty sure of that because Jesus did not teach them to deviate on that before the resurrection that we know of. I agree they did not teach the Gentiles the concept of tithing that we know of..as I have said many times...the silence is deafening regarding tithing in the NT..so I lean toward believing God did not intend for it to change or He would have had them teach AGAINST it? Since Jesus tithed I am not sure how tithing originated with the Catholic church..maybe they reinstated the practice or began to teach on it and make it doctrine...but the giving of the tithe was not their original idea...

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