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The Assyrian: Rod of God's Anger
http://vindicatinggod.blogspot.com/2...ods-anger.html
An article dealing with the idea that God supernaturally moves upon cruel pagan nations to punish His own people.
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Originally Posted by
victoryword
But you do believe that God actively moves to punish His own people who die in a state of unrepentant sin and in a state of believing in Jesus by actively casting them into the lake of fire for eternity. Even though they are sealed for redemption by his Holy Spirit. That is a rather huge discrepancy in your beliefs. To say the least. Or does that simply reflect two extremely different agendas ?
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Originally Posted by
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But you do believe that God actively moves to punish His own people who die in a state of unrepentant sin and in a state of believing in Jesus by actively casting them into the lake of fire for eternity. Even though they are sealed for redemption by his Holy Spirit. That is a rather huge discrepancy in your beliefs. To say the least. Or does that simply reflect two extremely different agendas ?
I say what the Scripture says. SIN, not God, will send you to hell, whether you claim to be saved or not.
You harp on people being sealed with the Holy Spirit as if they cannot lose that seal by living in unrepentant sin. The same apostle who wrote about people being sealed by the Holy Spirit also listed numerous sins that will keep you from inheriting the Kingdom of God. The Bible also clearly states that without holiness no man will see the Lord. You choose sin or God. The choice is yours and not His. Your choice determines your destiny.
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Originally Posted by
victoryword
I say what the Scripture says. SIN, not God, will send you to hell, whether you claim to be saved or not.
You harp on people being sealed with the Holy Spirit as if they cannot lose that seal by living in unrepentant sin. The same apostle who wrote about people being sealed by the Holy Spirit also listed numerous sins that will keep you from inheriting the Kingdom of God. The Bible also clearly states that without holiness no man will see the Lord. You choose sin or God. The choice is yours and not His. Your choice determines your destiny.
In most of the accounts I've read of people that went to hell, but was allowed to return and tell about it, they were ushered in by demons, or like the case of Kenneth E. Hagin, he fell down a long hole and at the end, a demon grabbed him by the shoulder to lead him in before a voice from above stopped him.
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Originally Posted by
victoryword
I say what the Scripture says. SIN, not God, will send you to hell, whether you claim to be saved or not.
You harp on people being sealed with the Holy Spirit as if they cannot lose that seal by living in unrepentant sin. The same apostle who wrote about people being sealed by the Holy Spirit also listed numerous sins that will keep you from inheriting the Kingdom of God. The Bible also clearly states that without holiness no man will see the Lord. You choose sin or God. The choice is yours and not His. Your choice determines your destiny.
I'm not interested in arguing with you if one or the other view is right or wrong. I'm merely pointing out the fundamental discrepancy. As if God cannot save someone who believes, is sealed with the Holy Spirit and is living in sin as he dies. As if the devil is even able to snatch that person out of God's hands when that person is a believer, is born again and is sealed by God's Holy Spirit. God casting him away at will, now that is at least possible.
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Originally Posted by
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I'm not interested in arguing with you if one or the other view is right or wrong. I'm merely pointing out the fundamental discrepancy. As if God cannot save someone who believes, is sealed with the Holy Spirit and is living in sin as he dies. As if the devil is even able to snatch that person out of God's hands when that person is a believer, is born again and is sealed by God's Holy Spirit. God casting him away at will, now that is at least possible.
I think the discrepancy is imaginary on your part.
God's seal upon a person is not forced on them nor does He force the seal to remain on someone who chooses to live a life of sin. The devil does not have to "snatch" anyone from God's hands. When a Christian chooses a life of sin they make a decision to leave God's hands and God will not force you to stay with Him.
OSAS, no matter what form it comes in, does not line up with the Scriptures understanding of how sin brings DEATH (Rom. 6:23; James 1:12-15).
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Originally Posted by
Valiant Woman
In most of the accounts I’ve read of people that went to hell, but was allowed to return and tell about it, they were ushered in by demons, or like the case of Kenneth E. Hagin, he fell down a long hole and at the end, a demon grabbed him by the shoulder to lead him in before a voice from above stopped him.
Yep, I have read the same testimonies. The worse ones were by people like Mary K. Baxter who described PREACHERS in hell. But none of the case have God tossing people into the place. It is either a gravitational pull down there upon death or being dragged down there by demons. Unrepentant sin removes us from God's protection before and after death.
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Originally Posted by
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I think the discrepancy is imaginary on your part.
God's seal upon a person is not forced on them nor does He force the seal to remain on someone who chooses to live a life of sin. The devil does not have to "snatch" anyone from God's hands. When a Christian chooses a life of sin they make a decision to leave God's hands and God will not force you to stay with Him.
OSAS, no matter what form it comes in, does not line up with the Scriptures understanding of how sin brings DEATH (Rom. 6:23; James 1:12-15).
I don't believe in OSAS and you know that.
Now if sin eventually hardens someone until that person himself rejects the faith and the Holy Spirit consequently leaves then I agree with you, the person is no longer saved. That has everything to do with God exercising power however. If you deny him then he denies you. Mat 10:33
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