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    Replacement Theology

    There seems to be some confusion amongst Christians in Paul's declaration that "...all Israel will be saved" (Rm 11:26).

    The error of "Replacement Theology" claims that the phrase "all Israel" should be understood spiritually, referring to all believers, whether Jew or Gentile. The idea claims that "Israel" doesn't really mean Israel but instead refers to the Church.

    Of coarse I reject this and hold to the belief that at a future God-appointed particular time, ethnic Israel will come to faith in Jesus as the Messiah and be saved. However, this may not be interpreted that, in the time of fulfillment, every Israelite will be converted simply on the basis of his inheritance. Thus we must understand this expression to mean Israel as a company, rather than every Jew without single exception. Every person must make their own personal decision to either reject or accept Jesus as Lord. No one can know the status of ones heart when it comes to salvation. Regardless, all Israel will have a portion in the Millennial age to come.

    It will happen at the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ (Isa 59:20-21). There is a prophetic picture of Israel's restoration found over in Isaiah 60:1-14 as they recognize Jesus' prophesied over in Zechariah 12. Jesus also hinted upon Zechariah's prophecy in His Olivet discourse in Matt 24:30-31. John also in Revelation 1:7 ties Zachariah's prophecy to Jesus' return.

    Zachariah 14: 4-5, 9, 16, describes Jesus descending upon the mount of Olives with all those who have were caught-up in the resurrection at the last trump. As His millennial reign begins, all the nations shall be required to go up to Jerusalem to worship the Lord every year.

    This is what I believe as it relates to the chronological events leading to the future salvation on Israel.

    * The return of Jesus, who comes in the clouds.

    * All the tribes of Israel looking upon Him, returning in glory.

    * All the tribes of Israel acknowledging Jesus as the one whom they pierced.

    * All the tribes of Israel repenting and mourning.

    * The spirit of grace being poured out upon them.

    * The Lord purging the sins of that nation "in one day".

    * The kingdom of Israel being restored.

    * Jesus rules the nations from Jerusalem in the Millennial age.

    As you can see, it is a falsehood to believe that somehow the church has replaced Israel. God is going to fulfill all His covenant promises.
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    I know a lot of Israelis who will immediately become followers of the Jewish Messiah, Yeshua (Jesus) as soon as He reveals Himself as King of Kings and Lord of Lords here on earth. On the other hand, I also know many who reject the God of Israel and the Bible as having any authority in their lives. I'll be fascinated to see how God sorts it all out. Part of the problem will be to identify all of the Tribes so that all of them are accounted for in the phrase, "All Israel." We know a few descendants from a few tribes but certainly not all of them at this time. I suppose God is keeping accurate records. Is it even possible that recognizable remnants of all 12 tribes still exist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tehilah Ba'Aretz View Post
    I know a lot of Israelis who will immediately become followers of the Jewish Messiah, Yeshua (Jesus) as soon as He reveals Himself as King of Kings and Lord of Lords here on earth. On the other hand, I also know many who reject the God of Israel and the Bible as having any authority in their lives. I'll be fascinated to see how God sorts it all out. Part of the problem will be to identify all of the Tribes so that all of them are accounted for in the phrase, "All Israel." We know a few descendants from a few tribes but certainly not all of them at this time. I suppose God is keeping accurate records. Is it even possible that recognizable remnants of all 12 tribes still exist?
    In the book of Revelation John saw 12,000 from every tribe. The fact that God named all 12 tribes tells me that He has it all figured out.

    Some don't believe that this actually means 12,000 from each tribe, but is just showing that there will be many. I believe that because He spells out each tribe, this portion of John's vision is speaking of an actual 144,000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    In the book of Revelation John saw 12,000 from every tribe. The fact that God named all 12 tribes tells me that He has it all figured out.

    Some don't believe that this actually means 12,000 from each tribe, but is just showing that there will be many. I believe that because He spells out each tribe, this portion of John's vision is speaking of an actual 144,000.
    That sounds very Calvinistic. We're talking about souls, not about the number of gallons of grain in the temple storeroom or something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    That sounds very Calvinistic. We're talking about souls, not about the number of gallons of grain in the temple storeroom or something like that.
    It may be 'Calvinistic' so to speak. God does things in grace and sovereignty. What He has done in sovereignty is set. I think some of the end time events fall into that category, such as what Zeke is talking about. What He's done in grace can be believed for (Romans 5:2 - we have access into His grace through faith). What's the problem with God haven chosen an exact number or even the exact people who are the ones?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    It may be 'Calvinistic' so to speak. God does things in grace and sovereignty. What He has done in sovereignty is set. I think some of the end time events fall into that category, such as what Zeke is talking about. What He's done in grace can be believed for (Romans 5:2 - we have access into His grace through faith). What's the problem with God haven chosen an exact number or even the exact people who are the ones?
    Salvation by sovereignty isn't part of the gospel. Nor is it based on any principle of justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Salvation by sovereignty isn't part of the gospel. Nor is it based on any principle of justice.
    Not saying I agree or disagree, but just offering an argument, just because some might have 'salvation by sovereignty' does that negate the face that anyone is still free to receive Jesus by their free will does it? That still wouldn't exclude anybody from entering in through grace and faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Not saying I agree or disagree, but just offering an argument, just because some might have 'salvation by sovereignty' does that negate the face that anyone is still free to receive Jesus by their free will does it? That still wouldn't exclude anybody from entering in through grace and faith.
    True but it's still a different dispensation from the gospel.

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    It is only "Calvinistic" if you have a hard time separating God's foreknowledge from God's sovereignty. (Calvinists cannot separate the 2, hence their doctrine of "Irresistible grace".

    It somehow fits in, and everyone else who is saved falls into the next described category of a number that no man can number, from every tribe and nation.

    Maybe they are OT saints?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    It is only "Calvinistic" if you have a hard time separating God's foreknowledge from God's sovereignty. (Calvinists cannot separate the 2, hence their doctrine of "Irresistible grace".

    It somehow fits in, and everyone else who is saved falls into the next described category of a number that no man can number, from every tribe and nation.

    Maybe they are OT saints?
    12 x 12,000 by happenstance ? I find that hard to believe.

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