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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    After looking at some more Scripture on this subject, I am wrong. I said Enoch and Elijah did not experience an earthly death.

    It is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment (Heb 9:27). As in Adam all die... (1Cor 15:22). According to these Scriptures, all men born after the fall have an appointment with death. There is no exceptions! Enoch and Elijah included. They were infected with the Adamic sin nature, so they could not have escaped an earthly death. Further more, Enoch and Elijah could have not been translated to heaven. Jesus said no one has ascended to heaven. yet the Son of Man descended from heaven (Jn 3:13).

    Moses died and Elijah appeared with him at the Mount of Transfiguration (Lk 9: 28-36). Elijah must have died some time later after being caught up in the whirlwind. The Bible does not say Eliajh was not caught up into heaven (3rd heaven Gods throne). He must have been was translated to another place on earth in which he lived out his life.

    Scripture says that all the days that Enoch was on earth was 365 years then God took him (Gen 5:23-24). The bible does not say that God took Enoch to heaven. God removed, translated him so that he was not found. God must have took Enoch and buried him after he completed living his life on this earth for 365 years. 1 Cor 15:22..."all in Adam die".
    Humm...Well, we know Gods word doesn't contradict itself, so Enoch must be one of the 2 witnesses. Enoch still has a fallen nature, so he has to come back to earth to die, right?
    Still don't know how a sinner (Enoch inherited Adams fallen sinful nature) can dwell in the literal presence of God all these 1000's of year's. Even before Jesus sprinkled His Blood
    on the mercy seat. I guess that's one of the questions I'll have to ask when I finally get there.

    This is a response to Colonels post post #10.
    If you put God First, you have Him at Last.

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    Unless he shed his body but didn't die in the natural sense. I think that concluding that he "must come back to die" is very speculative.

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    Interesting...puzzling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Interesting...puzzling
    Yeah. I'd rather let the NT override the OT and default to believing that Hebrews 11:39-40 applies to all the OT saints including those two meaning they ended up in the bosom of Abraham and had to wait to be let into heaven permanently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Hmmmm...so were Enoch and Elijah saved without the shedding of Messiah's blood? If they did, indeed, go straight to Heaven.....

    Fodder for a new thread....
    No, the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross is outside of the timeline. It is eternal and therefore it was always the only way of salvation. Jesus is the "Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tehilah Ba'Aretz View Post
    No, the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross is outside of the timeline. It is eternal and therefore it was always the only way of salvation. Jesus is the "Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."
    It has always been the final component that releases the faithful into heaven. Jesus preached to the OT saints during his three days in Hades and they were all released into heaven at that point in time. There no longer is a "bosom of Abraham", Abraham is no longer in Hades. Faith in the resurrected Jesus takes people directly to heaven. Anything else (Jews with the faith of Abraham since before the resurrection dying after the resurrection without having heard the gospel) would be a special case.

    Peter speaking to the people on the day of Pentecost :

    Acts 3:22 “For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you.
    23 ‘And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’
    24 “Yes, and all the prophets, from Samuel and those who follow, as many as have spoken, have also foretold these days.

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