Thread: Acts 13:33 Interpretation - Today I have begotten You

Sounds like Jesus was 'born again' to me.




























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Born from Mary's womb, born from death as the first one = born again. Then we may argue about how the latter resembles our born again experience, both before it happens and after it happened. What is sure is the following :

John 12:24 Most assuredly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much grain

The grain of wheat produces a new seed (the resurrected Jesus) and also additional seeds (born again human beings) that are in the same likeness. So the result is that we parttake in the divine nature, specifically the nature of the resurrected Jesus. Notice that "parttake in the divine nature" is a scripture quote.

Originally Posted by Colonel

By now he operates more fully as both God and a man - at least in heaven, previously he had to lay his divinity aside and keep within the confines of operating as a man with the power of the Holy Spirit. For instance words of knowledge rather than divine all knowledgeability. The power gifts rather than all powerfulness. Heaven still isn't simply open over Earth so that he can do whatever he wants here from that position. He issued his Holy Spirit so that we could operate as he did previously, human beings relating to other human beings that are here among them works better.

You have defined very well that to "lay his divinity aside" does NOT imply Jesus ceased BEING God. Great examples of how he FUNCTIONED on the earth, laying the track for how he wanted MAN to operate when he was filled with the Spirit (John 14:12).

Thanks all for laying down the Scriptural truths associated with this verse. Once we understand how they work together, it is not hard at all to realize the sense that Jesus was truly "born-again".

It should be clear that no one is saying that Jesus was a sinner, needing to be "born again" as we need to be. But, as Colonel points out, there are "similarities" in biblical principles and processes that apply to both God and man, with appropriate distinctions.

Jesus had no need to be born again. He did not die for His own sins but He died for OUR sins!

Originally Posted by Nikos

Jesus had no need to be born again. He did not die for His own sins but He died for OUR sins!

He was born of a woman, then He was raised as the FIRSTBORN from the dead. That's 2 births. He was born once, then he was 'born again'. What's so hard to understand about that if you understand English?

Originally Posted by Jonathan david

You have defined very well that to "lay his divinity aside" does NOT imply Jesus ceased BEING God. Great examples of how he FUNCTIONED on the earth, laying the track for how he wanted MAN to operate when he was filled with the Spirit (John 14:12).

He was 100% God and 100% man. He had no more ability to perform any miracles than any man on earth apart from the power of the Holy Spirit that came on Him when He was baptized in the Jordan River. It wasn't that He just chose not to do anything apart from His divinity, but couldn't do anything apart from the Holy Spirit. He was the prototype of the NT Christian.

Originally Posted by fuego

@Nikos : He was born of a woman, then He was raised as the FIRSTBORN from the dead. That's 2 births. He was born once, then he was 'born again'. What's so hard to understand about that if you understand English?

The connotation at the "before side". We parttake in the divine nature of the resurrected Jesus and he tasted the death that we would have faced but that doesn't mean that he became what we were before we were born again. He tasted death as an innocent, we deserved what was coming our way.

Originally Posted by Colonel

The connotation at the "before side". We parttake in the divine nature of the resurrected Jesus and he tasted the death that we would have faced but that doesn't mean that he became what we were before we were born again. He tasted death as an innocent, we deserved what was coming our way.

"...but that doesn't mean that he became what we were before we were born again..." It means exactly that.

Yes, He tasted it as an innocent, but He still was our substitute, so He had to partake of what our punishment would have been. It wasn't physical death He paid for, it was spiritual death, separation from God.

2 Cor. 5
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

God made Him to be what we were so we could become what He was raised as. Substitution and identification. Not some 'make believe' form but the real thing.