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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Acts 13:33 seems to refer to his resurrection though the next verse is more specific about that. It can be interpreted as God raising up Jesus to be Messiah rather than resurrecting him. The others could be more general.

    There is an other verse that suggests that he (re)gained sonship with his resurrection :

    Romans 1:4 and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead.

    That is more specific and therefore clearer than the three quoted.
    I am intrigued by the THIS DAY part, that something did change concerning Jesus at the resurrection. (For the record, we can always maintain that he was still always equal to God). But that doesn't rule out other biblically "allowable" differences in a post-resurrection Jesus.

    There was an "elevation" a change (whether in role or functionality or state):
    Acts 2:32 God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it. 33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.

    I just think there is more to the story here than the traditional explanations I hear.

    For example Jesus had limitations while on earth (e.g., Did not know everything). I don't believe that would be the case now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    35 refers back to 34 by way of "therefore". 34 starts with "and" and isn't necessarily connected to verse 33. 34 introduces and discusses a different OT quote than 33 discusses.
    Colonel, that entire group of verses refer to Jesus' Resurrection.

    You can't split it apart.
    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GodismyJudge View Post
    Colonel, that entire group of verses refer to Jesus' Resurrection.

    You can't split it apart.
    I'm not saying that your interpretation is incorrect, I'm merely saying that the passage is less clear. Cross referencing similar verses like Romans 1:4 gives your interpretation more weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan david View Post
    I am intrigued by the THIS DAY part, that something did change concerning Jesus at the resurrection. (For the record, we can always maintain that he was still always equal to God). But that doesn't rule out other biblically "allowable" differences in a post-resurrection Jesus.

    There was an "elevation" a change (whether in role or functionality or state):
    Acts 2:32 God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it. 33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.

    I just think there is more to the story here than the traditional explanations I hear.

    For example Jesus had limitations while on earth (e.g., Did not know everything). I don't believe that would be the case now.
    By now he operates more fully as both God and a man - at least in heaven, previously he had to lay his divinity aside and keep within the confines of operating as a man with the power of the Holy Spirit. For instance words of knowledge rather than divine all knowledgeability. The power gifts rather than all powerfulness. Heaven still isn't simply open over Earth so that he can do whatever he wants here from that position. He issued his Holy Spirit so that we could operate as he did previously, human beings relating to other human beings that are here among them works better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I'm not saying that your interpretation is incorrect, I'm merely saying that the passage is less clear. Cross referencing similar verses like Romans 1:4 gives your interpretation more weight.
    Ah, I misunderstood.

    Thanks.
    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan david View Post
    I am intrigued by the THIS DAY part, that something did change concerning Jesus at the resurrection. (For the record, we can always maintain that he was still always equal to God). But that doesn't rule out other biblically "allowable" differences in a post-resurrection Jesus.

    There was an "elevation" a change (whether in role or functionality or state):
    Acts 2:32 God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it. 33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.

    I just think there is more to the story here than the traditional explanations I hear.

    For example Jesus had limitations while on earth (e.g., Did not know everything). I don't believe that would be the case now.
    Thought of this...


    Ephesians 1:19-22
    (19) ...And what is the exceeding greatness of His power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of His mighty power,
    (20) Which He wrought in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead, and set Him at His own right hand in the heavenly places,
    (21) Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
    (22) And hath put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be the head over all things to the church,



    I have heard it put this way,,,

    "The Resurrection of Jesus from the dead was actually the the mightiest working recorded in the Word of God.



    Greatest Working Of God

    *************

    Excerpt from...

    The Authority of the Believer by John A. MacMillen (1932)

    ...Let us now point out the meaning and the depth of this truth. When the Lord Jesus, the Captain (Archegon, Prince- Leader) of our salvation, was raised from the dead, the act of resurrection was accomplished through "the exceeding greatness of His [God's] power [dunameos], to us ward who believe, according to that working [energeian] of the strength [kratous] of His might [ischuos]."

    In this working there was such a putting forth of the divine omnipotence that the Holy Spirit, through the apostle, requires four words of special significance to bring out the thought.

    We shall not enter into the expressive meaning and grouping of these words further than to say that their combination signifies that behind the fact of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus there lay the mightiest working recorded in the Word of God.

    Having been thus raised from among the dead, Christ Jesus was exalted by God to His own right hand in the heavenlies. Then was seen the reason of such mighty working. The resurrection had been opposed by the tremendous "powers of the air": - "all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world [aioni, age] but also in that which is to come."

    The evil forces of the "age to come" had been arrayed against the purpose of God. They had, however, been baffled and overthrown, and the risen Lord had been enthroned "far above" them, ruling with the authority of the Most High...



    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    His resurrection took him from the lowest pit to the highest ground, way beyond his previous position as God's servant operating in the Holy Spirit, the son of man.

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    How about Romans 8:10, 11? Does it fit someplace in there?

    10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
    11 But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by the Spirit that dwelleth in you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan david View Post
    I am intrigued by the THIS DAY part, that something did change concerning Jesus at the resurrection. (For the record, we can always maintain that he was still always equal to God). But that doesn't rule out other biblically "allowable" differences in a post-resurrection Jesus.

    There was an "elevation" a change (whether in role or functionality or state):
    Acts 2:32 God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it. 33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.

    I just think there is more to the story here than the traditional explanations I hear.

    For example Jesus had limitations while on earth (e.g., Did not know everything). I don't believe that would be the case now.
    Jesus was made to be a little lower than the angels, until He was resurrected. On that day He became the firstborn from the dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    Jesus was made to be a little lower than the angels, until He was resurrected. On that day He became the firstborn from the dead.
    Acts 2:24 whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it.

    He overcame death from the position of being held by it. Death has no more moves left, that is a difference. Previously he was alive but not proofed against death, now he is both.

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