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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
    I always pray over my meals, but must confess not over everything I eat. Like -- a cookie or a glass of water, etc.
    And you don't think about things like "did a menstruating woman sit on that chair or seat previously" either. It's good to be free from the letter of the law.

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    Even Jesus Himself said that what enters the mouth doesn't defile the body. Period.

    1 Timothy 4
    3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

    This is why I always pray over my food. Not as some religious exercise but as a matter of faith in what is said here. If anybody has a problem with that they can take it up with the Holy Spirit who inspired that. :)
    I don't have a problem with that. We should pray for God's protection and blessing over all that we eat.

    I pray for God's protection over my life when I am on the road. I also, as much as possible, try to drive within the speed limit and avoid behavior that can cause me accidents.

    Same thing with food. I pray over my food but it is unlikely that I would have a diet of nothing but donuts, ice cream and chocolate mousse and then ask God to protect me from diabetes.

    Just remember, Satan used promises of God's protection to try to get Jesus to jump from the pinnacle of the temple. Jesus did not deny the validity of the promise. He responded with something from the Word: "Tempt ye not the Lord thy God."

    But, don't let that stand in the way of anyone eating animals that are willing to eat their own bloody testicles. Deeelishus!
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    Or ritual reasons as with the verses on menstruation. Or cultural reasons, like the following :

    Lev 25:45 NKJV Moreover you may buy the children of the strangers who dwell among you, and their families who are with you, which they beget in your land; and they shall become your property.
    46 And you may take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them as a possession; they shall be your permanent slaves. But regarding your brethren, the children of Israel, you shall not rule over one another with rigor.

    https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Leviticus%2025:46
    A lot of things in the law were accommodations to an already established mindset (slavery, more than one wife, divorce, etc.) Many things in the law of God were not God's best. Basically, God was saying if you are going to have slaves, multiple wives or whatever then this is how you are going to treat them.

    yet, on the other hand, some of the laws concerning childbirth are advance medical knowledge from God that doctors practice today. The food laws were not just ritual but had practical value. If God closes a blind eye to everything people eat then one would have to wonder why diabetes, cancer, and other sicknesses are running so rampant in people's bodies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    I don't have a problem with that. We should pray for God's protection and blessing over all that we eat.

    I pray for God's protection over my life when I am on the road. I also, as much as possible, try to drive within the speed limit and avoid behavior that can cause me accidents.
    Having said what I did, I don't eat it all that often. Just too much trouble to cook. I cook it in the oven when I do as it's much easier to clean up. But sitting here I can't think of the last time I ate bacon, or the last time I bought bacon that wasn't pre-cooked. My mother likes it so we buy the pre-cooked kind that you just throw in the microwave for 10 or so seconds since it's much easier that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    That only works when one doesn't know that there is something wrong with the food to begin with of course. During my journeys through 76 countries adding up to a year or so and half of that in third world countries I have hardly gotten sick from eating there. The only two times was when I got some slight food poisoning which means that I vomited up the food then felt a bit sick for a few hours after. Once in Hungary in 1996 and once in Turkey in 2011. The first involved street food and the other one involved not bothering to spit out a small piece of chicken that tasted funny. I should have avoided both.
    That's what Mark 16 is for. The context of 1 Timothy 4 and that statement is people forbidding to eat meats, certain foods, etc. Not whether or not something might be wrong with it per se. But it does work for that also. But obviously I'm not going to eat a piece of meat I know someone poisoned.

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    The food selection may have had some practical value in relation to the situation back then but far less today. Is there anything that suggests that people who eat kosher today are healthier than those who pay no attention to that ? Any statistics, for instance.

    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    A lot of things in the law were accommodations to an already established mindset (slavery, more than one wife, divorce, etc.) Many things in the law of God were not God's best. Basically, God was saying if you are going to have slaves, multiple wives or whatever then this is how you are going to treat them.

    yet, on the other hand, some of the laws concerning childbirth are advance medical knowledge from God that doctors practice today. The food laws were not just ritual but had practical value. If God closes a blind eye to everything people eat then one would have to wonder why diabetes, cancer, and other sicknesses are running so rampant in people's bodies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    But, don't let that stand in the way of anyone eating animals that are willing to eat their own bloody testicles. Deeelishus!

    Thats why I make sure to only eat female bacon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Thats why I make sure to only eat female bacon
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    It probably eats some other pig's testicles if fed with them. I'm sure that some of the other critters that we tend to eat behave correspondingly if given a chance too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    A lot of things in the law were accommodations to an already established mindset (slavery, more than one wife, divorce, etc.) Many things in the law of God were not God's best. Basically, God was saying if you are going to have slaves, multiple wives or whatever then this is how you are going to treat them.
    Jesus dealt specifically with the multiple wives issue by referring to how things were created from the beginning, one man and one woman. He doesn't deal specifically with slavery nor do the epistle writers condemn it outright. OT mindedness and lawmindedness, the mindset of applying those things without filtering them through a new covenant lense has historically been a powerful tool in the hands of pro-slavery people, enabling them to use the Bible to justify the continuation of slavery including in the US.

    Most people who entertain that mindset tend to be very selective about which OT rules they choose to apply. They will skip the ones about slavery and menstruation, for instance. Then pick some other ones that they personally or their particular direction within Christianity happens to approve of. I understand the thing about holding the ten commandments as more relevant than the other commandments in the law but beyond that there seems to be very little justification for the way they select OT rules for approval or disapproval. It's more a question of "what I feel like" or "what my church's tradition says".

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