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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    God's laws were established for practical reasons.
    Or ritual reasons as with the verses on menstruation. Or cultural reasons, like the following :

    Lev 25:45 NKJV Moreover you may buy the children of the strangers who dwell among you, and their families who are with you, which they beget in your land; and they shall become your property.
    46 And you may take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them as a possession; they shall be your permanent slaves. But regarding your brethren, the children of Israel, you shall not rule over one another with rigor.

    https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Leviticus%2025:46

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I see God telling Peter to eat all animals but he never bothers to tell him to quit avoiding seats where menstruating women sat previously.
    You might want to read that passage again and notice that Peter gave the interpretation of the vision. It was an amazing revelation! Gentiles can get saved! You should treasure that revelation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tehilah Ba'Aretz View Post
    You might want to read that passage again and notice that Peter gave the interpretation of the vision. It was an amazing revelation! Gentiles can get saved! You should treasure that revelation.
    Colonel you need to examine your soul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
    Colonel you need to examine your soul.
    I get that for declaring that Peter was told to kill and eat all animals ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tehilah Ba'Aretz View Post
    You might want to read that passage again and notice that Peter gave the interpretation of the vision. It was an amazing revelation! Gentiles can get saved! You should treasure that revelation.
    Like many foods, Gentiles were held as impure according to the law. The gospel changed both.

    Mark 7:18 Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him,
    19 because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated, thus purifying all foods?

    Romans 14:2 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things.
    2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables.
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    14 I know and am convinced by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself; but to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
    15 Yet if your brother is grieved because of your food, you are no longer walking in love. Do not destroy with your food the one for whom Christ died.

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    The law given to Moses was in effect for roughly 1350 years until the resurrection of Christ. Throughout that time it fit the culture, customs, economy and social structure of Israel and a proselyte of that time and region would be able to relate to it. It fit its intended audience, for short. Some of it is ceremonial/ritual and relates to ministering to God the way the old covenant prescribes. Some of it is cultural by nature, like the following :

    Lev 15:19 ‘If a woman has a discharge, and the discharge from her body is blood, she shall be set apart seven days; and whoever touches her shall be unclean until evening. 20 Everything that she lies on during her impurity shall be unclean; also everything that she sits on shall be unclean. 21 Whoever touches her bed shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. 22 And whoever touches anything that she sat on shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. 23 If anything is on her bed or on anything on which she sits, when he touches it, he shall be unclean until evening.

    That made sense in the culture of the Jews throughout those 1350 years, it makes little to no sense by now. The law concerning being allowed to buy and keep permanent slaves makes no sense by now. But then the law was only meant to be in effect until 33 AD so there is no problem.

    The obsoletion of the law :

    Romans 7:1 Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?
    2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband.
    3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man.
    4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.
    5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death.
    6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tehilah Ba'Aretz View Post
    However, since there will be no bacon in heaven
    Acts 10:10 Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance
    11 and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth.
    12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air.
    13 And a voice came to him, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”
    14 But Peter said, “Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean.”
    15 And a voice spoke to him again the second time, “What God has cleansed you must not call common.”
    16 This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again.

    The really interesting thing about all the unclean animals that Peter was told to kill and eat (including creeping things which were all unclean) is that they came down from heaven and went back into heaven again.

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    Even Jesus Himself said that what enters the mouth doesn't defile the body. Period.

    1 Timothy 4
    3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

    This is why I always pray over my food. Not as some religious exercise but as a matter of faith in what is said here. If anybody has a problem with that they can take it up with the Holy Spirit who inspired that. :)

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    I always pray over my meals, but must confess not over everything I eat. Like -- a cookie or a glass of water, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Even Jesus Himself said that what enters the mouth doesn't defile the body. Period.

    1 Timothy 4
    3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

    This is why I always pray over my food. Not as some religious exercise but as a matter of faith in what is said here. If anybody has a problem with that they can take it up with the Holy Spirit who inspired that. :)
    That only works when one doesn't know that there is something wrong with the food to begin with of course. During my journeys through 76 countries adding up to a year or so and half of that in third world countries I have hardly gotten sick from eating there. The only two times was when I got some slight food poisoning which means that I vomited up the food then felt a bit sick for a few hours after. Once in Hungary in 1996 and once in Turkey in 2011. The first involved street food and the other one involved not bothering to spit out a small piece of chicken that tasted funny. I should have avoided both.

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