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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    My Scripture on it:

    but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses (Matthew 6:15).

    This shows that there ARE people whom the Father will not forgive.
    I've thought you've said many times that all sin is forgiven already even future sins. How does what you said here jive with that? That sounds contradictory to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    I've thought you've said many times that all sin is forgiven already even future sins. How does what you said here jive with that? That sounds contradictory to me.
    I assume that a person who is saved is a forgiver. I'm not sure one can be a believer and withhold forgiveness from another. It goes against the very nature of the new creation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    I assume that a person who is saved is a forgiver. I'm not sure one can be a believer and withhold forgiveness from another. It goes against the very nature of the new creation.
    Believers still have a carnal nature that wars against the Spirit. It's up to doing the former deeds. Walking according to the Spirit is a choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Believers still have a carnal nature that wars against the Spirit. It's up to doing the former deeds. Walking according to the Spirit is a choice.
    Colonel, what then is your interpretation of Matthew 6:15?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    That's one version or wording of "the gospel" and it is used exactly once in the Bible :

    Acts 2:38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

    Did it occur to you that there is a context for that verse ?

    36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”
    37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”

    The context is that the men who were cut to the heart had already expressed a measure of faith in the risen Lord and Christ, Jesus.
    It is one example of doing what Jesus told them to do:


    Luke 24:46-48New King James Version (NKJV)

    46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And you are witnesses of these things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    It is one example of doing what Jesus told them to do:

    Luke 24:46-48New King James Version (NKJV)

    46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And you are witnesses of these things.

    That's also an account written by Luke and the wording is a bit similar. It says nothing about baptism however.

    Mat 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
    20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen

    I suppose that means believe, repent, get baptized so it's not dissimilar.

    Mark 16:15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.

    Here belief is made essential since a lack of it is what negates salvation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krystian View Post
    I heard someone say this the other day...do you agree or disagree? Got scripture?
    Sin forgiven? Yes...forgiveness appropriated by repentance and faith? no....everyone in Hell opted out...

    1 Peter

    17For it is better, if it is God’s will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil. 18 For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body, but made alive in the spirit, 19 in which He also went and preached to the spirits in prison…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valiant Woman View Post
    If they were forgiven, they wouldn't be in hell. Don't need scripture for that.
    If someone wrongs me and I forgive them but they never accept that forgiveness are they any less forgiven?

    Christ took the punishment for whosoever will....now whosoever can still opt to serve their own time....

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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    That probably is what they are trying to say but while it seems like it makes sense, it does not fit with what the Bible teaches:

    Matthew 6:14-15
    14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
    15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

    Matthew 18:31
    31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.
    32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
    33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
    34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
    35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

    Can't find anywhere in the New Testament where there was a change on this principle after the redemptive work of Christ.
    Do you believe more is required for salvation than the shed blood of Jesus and ones accepting that free gift already extended?

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    I have read the scriptures presented and the interpretation seems to contradict what Peter says....so did Jesus die once for all or does He have to die again each time someone repents?

    We had a lengthy discussion some time back about forgiving others and there were those who believe we are not obligated to forgive until someone asks for it or says they are sorry...I don't believe the scripture supports that...that we are to love and forgive our enemies the same way Christ did from the cross....and I believe He has extended that forgiveness to all and is not withholding it until one repents....

    See when we are convicted by Holy Spirit we are made to realize our condition...our at that moment condition...and we are made aware by Holy Spirit that Jesus has paid that price...already....what is left? My acceptance of it...

    Scripture does not tell me God is withholding it...it tells me I must willingly accept what is offered...freely given already...

    The prison doors are unlocked...Holy Spirit says you can stay in by rejecting Jesus and choosing to remain in rebellion or you can accept Jesus which is walking out the unlocked door with Him.

    Debt already paid..

    Death already done...

    Free gift....

    Those in Hell rejected the free gift....

    There is that catch to the gift that they chose to reject it...Jesus

    All have been forgiven but one must relinquish their independence....

    So the fact is both are true...Jesus has paid the once for all debt...and invites us back into the severed relationship with our Father through Him...the door is open...not closed and locked until we repent...repentance is opting to walk through the open door..

    I guess what I am saying is repentance is not for God's benefit, it is for ours...

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