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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Not saying I agree or disagree, but think I understand what they're trying to say with the statement. I assume they're trying to say that sin was forgiven at the cross, so all are forgiven, and people in hell are forgiven, but they never accepted the forgiveness.

    But you could give the context of the statement and what they were saying rather than just isolating the controversial statement without any context.
    That probably is what they are trying to say but while it seems like it makes sense, it does not fit with what the Bible teaches:

    Matthew 6:14-15
    14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
    15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

    Matthew 18:31
    31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.
    32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
    33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
    34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
    35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

    Can't find anywhere in the New Testament where there was a change on this principle after the redemptive work of Christ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Not saying I agree or disagree, but think I understand what they're trying to say with the statement. I assume they're trying to say that sin was forgiven at the cross, so all are forgiven, and people in hell are forgiven, but they never accepted the forgiveness.
    IOW, you are saying that everyone in Hell is saved but they did not accept it so they are lost.

    Sounds like the seeds of Universalism.

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    Jesus paid the price for ALL sin. However, this same Jesus said that "He who believes and is baptized shall be saved".
    The example I often use is if I were to give you a nice electric razor for Christmas. If you say "thanks" and then put it up on a shelf and never use it it will not do you any good. Your face will still be covered with whiskers. If you open it up and use it, then your whiskers will be gone. It is not my giving of the gift that does you any good, it is your using of the gift.


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    Just for clarification:

    Are you saying that Jesus paid the price for ALL SIN- past, present and future? And that all sin is forgiven even before it is committed?

    In your illustration it is obvious that the razor was ACCEPTED but was of no use without WORKS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
    Just for clarification:

    Are you saying that Jesus paid the price for ALL SIN- past, present and future? And that all sin is forgiven even before it is committed?

    In your illustration it is obvious that the razor was ACCEPTED but was of no use without WORKS?
    No bro. Salvation was provided for ALL. Only those who accept it and apply it to their lives benefit from it.
    The gospel is still "Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins".

    That word "remission" is aphesis, which means Release from bondage or imprisonment.
    It can also mean Forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    No bro. Salvation was provided for ALL. Only those who accept it and apply it to their lives benefit from it.
    The gospel is still "Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins".

    That word "remission" is aphesis, which means Release from bondage or imprisonment.
    It can also mean Forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty.
    That's one version or wording of "the gospel" and it is used exactly once in the Bible :

    Acts 2:38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

    Did it occur to you that there is a context for that verse ?

    36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."
    37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"

    The context is that the men who were cut to the heart had already expressed a measure of faith in the risen Lord and Christ, Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
    IOW, you are saying that everyone in Hell is saved but they did not accept it so they are lost.

    Sounds like the seeds of Universalism.
    I'm not saying anything. I'm just trying to guess the angle/viewpoint of the person that said it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    That probably is what they are trying to say but while it seems like it makes sense, it does not fit with what the Bible teaches:
    I didn't say it made sense, I'm just think that's where they were probably coming from. Like somebody would say everybody is healed, but all don't accept or appropriate healing. Meaning the price is paid, but wasn't received. With no other context to the comment since krys didn't provide any, that has to be the angle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    I didn't say it made sense, I'm just think that's where they were probably coming from. Like somebody would say everybody is healed, but all don't accept or appropriate healing. Meaning the price is paid, but wasn't received. With no other context to the comment since krys didn't provide any, that has to be the angle.
    I already knew where you were coming from. I understand that you were only giving what you thought was their logic. I apologize if I did not make that clear.

    Also, you MUST forgive me if you want to be forgiven
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    My Scripture on it:

    but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses (Matthew 6:15).

    This shows that there ARE people whom the Father will not forgive.

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