Michael Brown Addresses Future Sins Forgiven

**Cardinal TT** · 02-13-2017, 08:50 PM

http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/...of-hyper-grace

When Jesus died on the cross, He paid for every sin that you and I and the rest of the human race will ever commit, from Adam's first sin until the very last sin that will be committed on this planet. But that doesn't mean that God forgives our sins before we commit them. That is not taught anywhere in the Bible, and when the Lord says that He forgives us and remembers our sins no more, He's speaking of the sins we have committed at the time He forgives us.

The New Testament is totally clear on this. As it is written in 2 Peter 1, the believer who goes backward spiritually rather than forward "is blind and shortsighted because he has forgotten that he was cleansed from his former sins" (2 Pet. 1:9b; the ESV reads, "having forgotten that he was cleansed from his former sins.")

What sins did God forgive when we asked Him to save us and cleanse us? He forgave our past sins, our former sins, the sins we committed before we were born again. As explained in Colossians 2, when we put our faith in Jesus and became children of God, He cancelled "the handwriting of ordinances that was against us and contrary to us, and He took it out of the way, nailing it to the cross" (Col. 2:14). The Complete Jewish Bible explains that "He wiped away the bill of charges against us" and the New International Version reads, "having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross."

Under God's holy law, we accumulated a massive amount of spiritual debt, with each new sin we committed adding to that debt. And it was a debt we could never repay, especially since the standards of God's law continually reminded us of our failures and shortcomings. But the moment God saved us, He forgave us that debt—some scholars refer to it as an IOU—and then He brought us into a new and better covenant, one in which His laws are written on our hearts and He remembers our sins no more (Jer. 31:31-34).

So, when we look to the Lord for salvation, He forgives every sin we have committed up to that point and He even forgives us for who we are: lost, rebellious sinners. But He does not forgive us for our sins before we commit them. This is clearly stated in many passages and it makes perfect spiritual sense as well.

When you put your trust in Jesus as your Savior and Lord and you asked Him to forgive you for all your sins, what sins did you mean? Perhaps you said something like, "God, I confess to you that I am a sinner and have done many wrongs things in my life, and I ask you to forgive me and wash me clean."

Is that how you prayed? I said something similar to the Lord, and He met me right where I was as a heroin-shooting, LSD-using, rebellious, hippie rock drummer. I was clean and forgiven and washed at that very moment. Totally! And all the guilt I had been feeling in previous weeks as the Holy Spirit was convicting me of my sins was totally gone as well. What amazing grace!

But it didn't dawn on me to say, "And Lord, while we're at it, could you please forgive me for all the sins I plan to commit tomorrow and for the rest of my life, along with the sins I don't plan to commit?"

I bet it didn't dawn on you to say that either. Why? It is because we understand that forgiveness is for what we have done, not for what we will do...

**fuego** · 02-13-2017, 10:21 PM

This may be the key paragraph:

Unfortunately, because modern grace teachers fail to distinguish between the forgiveness of salvation and the forgiveness of relationship (some even mock the distinction), they teach erroneously that the moment you are saved, even your future sins are pronounced forgiven.

**Bookman** · 02-14-2017, 12:34 AM

The other side would say that ALL our sins (including future ones) are forgiven due to the nature of the new creation. God reckons everything about us as though we are new creatures--and we are. Part of the new creation is that we are now forgiven persons. That is part of who we are. Part of our identity. God cannot reckon sin to a new creation person. If we walk in the flesh for a season and commit sins, they are not reckoned to us because God has reckoned us as dead to sin. That's why we also reckon ourselves dead to sin. As I've said time and again, no one can enter heaven with even one tiny sin charged to their account. But if you believe we're not forgiven of all our sins, including future sins, then you must believe that if a person dies minutes after committing a sin before having asked for and received forgiveness, then God simply overlooks that unforgiven sin and lets us into heaven anyway. Surely you know that's not true. I think you know that that sin is ONLY covered by the blood and the person goes to heaven on that basis. And of course you know that without the shedding of blood there is NO forgiveness. So either a person is fully saved and fully forgiven and gets into heaven based on Calvary's cross or you have to believe God somehow lets someone in heaven apart from the blood of Christ.

**Cardinal TT** · 02-14-2017, 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by Bookman

The other side would say that ALL our sins (including future ones) are forgiven due to the nature of the new creation. God reckons everything about us as though we are new creatures--and we are. Part of the new creation is that we are now forgiven persons. That is part of who we are. Part of our identity. God cannot reckon sin to a new creation person. If we walk in the flesh for a season and commit sins, they are not reckoned to us because God has reckoned us as dead to sin. That's why we also reckon ourselves dead to sin. As I've said time and again, no one can enter heaven with even one tiny sin charged to their account. But if you believe we're not forgiven of all our sins, including future sins, then you must believe that if a person dies minutes after committing a sin before having asked for and received forgiveness, then God simply overlooks that unforgiven sin and lets us into heaven anyway. Surely you know that's not true. I think you know that that sin is ONLY covered by the blood and the person goes to heaven on that basis. And of course you know that without the shedding of blood there is NO forgiveness. So either a person is fully saved and fully forgiven and gets into heaven based on Calvary's cross or you have to believe God somehow lets someone in heaven apart from the blood of Christ.

Sorry Bookie too much assumption in your comments. The statements seem biblical but don't withstand scriptural scrutiny

You have arrived at your conclusions moreso from natural thinking because they seem right but it lacks scriptural authority

You are trying to squeeze your 'square concept' into a scriptural 'round' hole

Nice try though

**Colonel** · 02-14-2017, 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by fuego

This may be the key paragraph:

Unfortunately, because modern grace teachers fail to distinguish between the forgiveness of salvation and the forgiveness of relationship (some even mock the distinction), they teach erroneously that the moment you are saved, even your future sins are pronounced forgiven.

Our sins grieve the Holy Spirit but they are still covered by grace unless we break our relation to Jesus and the Holy Spirit departs. Then we are back to standing accountable to God according to the flesh rather than according to the righteousness of Jesus. There's a buffer zone within that relation where God deals with us as sons rather than as outsiders. Even as rebellious sons, until the relation is broken.

**Bookman** · 02-14-2017, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by Cardinal TT

Sorry Bookie too much assumption in your comments. The statements seem biblical but don't withstand scriptural scrutiny

You have arrived at your conclusions moreso from natural thinking because they seem right but it lacks scriptural authority

You are trying to squeeze your 'square concept' into a scriptural 'round' hole

Nice try though

Not so, Card. Can you explain to me on what basis a Christian who has recently sinned and not yet asked for forgiveness gets into heaven if he dies suddenly? There is only one right answer.

**Quest** · 02-14-2017, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Colonel

Our sins grieve the Holy Spirit but they are still covered by grace unless we break our relation to Jesus and the Holy Spirit departs. Then we are back to standing accountable to God according to the flesh rather than according to the righteousness of Jesus. There's a buffer zone within that relation where God deals with us as sons rather than as outsiders. Even as rebellious sons, until the relation is broken.

I agree with one addendum....the practice of sin brings us closer and closer to that breaking point because it weakens the relationship that is intended to move us forward in continual transformation...that is the danger of no acknowledging /repenting of sin after salvation...we can ignore the damage it does to our relationship..

Like the spouse that lies....they determine that they are married for life so the practice of lying is irrelevant to the marriage...until their spouse one day walks away...until they suddenly realize they have no marital relationship any longer......at that point it is EASY to break the bond..

**Colonel** · 02-14-2017, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Bookman

Not so, Card. Can you explain to me on what basis a Christian who has recently sinned and not yet asked for forgiveness gets into heaven if he dies suddenly? There is only one right answer.

The first one mentioned below, not the second one.

Originally Posted by fuego

the forgiveness of salvation and the forgiveness of relationship

**Colonel** · 02-14-2017, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Quest

I agree with one addendum....the practice of sin brings us closer and closer to that breaking point because it weakens the relationship that is intended to move us forward in continual transformation...that is the danger of no acknowledging sin after salvation...we can ignore the damage it does to our relationship..

Like the spouse that lies....they determine that they are married for life so the practice of lying is irrelevant to the marriage...until their spouse one day walks away...until they suddenly realize they have no marital relationship any longer......at that point it is EASY to break the bond..

Yeah, the buffer zone isn't inexhaustible.

**Quest** · 02-14-2017, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Colonel

Yeah, the buffer zone isn't inexhaustible.

Well put...seems this discussion always leads to the accusation that there is no buffer zone or that it IS inexhaustible...that's sad because the truth is in the middle

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