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    Hezekiah obviously served God according to the faith of Abraham and was therefore pleasing to God as your verse says. But that doesn't necessarily imply that he prayed in faith for healing. As I talked about previously, Naaman the Syrian was healed even though he barely decided to obey the prophet's instruction and only because one of his servants argued that he should because it was an easy thing to do. There is no reason to believe that he had any faith but the prophet did of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Hezekiah obviously served God according to the faith of Abraham and was therefore pleasing to God as your verse says. But that doesn't necessarily imply that he prayed in faith for healing. As I talked about previously, Naaman the Syrian was healed even though he barely decided to obey the prophet's instruction and only because one of his servants argued that he should because it was an easy thing to do. There is no reason to believe that he had any faith but the prophet did of course.
    He may have barely decided but he did decide...that's faith...even if it was just mustard seed faith..it was enough..

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    Don't go too far with that Quest. Just because someone did something at all and then a miracle happened, doesn't necessarily mean that they received that miracle by faith. Don't simply read that into the Bible whenever something happens. There are plenty of people who will do this and that if told that God or some power will then heal them. Some times in unbelief and desperation at the same time, I've seen people do that.

    impossible to please God except by faith

    doesn't mean that God cannot work a miracle regardless, even if he isn't pleased with the person

    James says not to expect to receive anything by doubt but that doesn't mean it is impossible

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Don't go too far with that Quest. Just because someone did something at all and then a miracle happened, doesn't necessarily mean that they received that miracle by faith. Don't simply read that into the Bible whenever something happens. There are plenty of people who will do this and that if told that God or some power will then heal them. Some times in unbelief and desperation at the same time, I've seen people do that.

    impossible to please God except by faith

    doesn't mean that God cannot work a miracle regardless, even if he isn't pleased with the person

    James says not to expect to receive anything by doubt but that doesn't mean it is impossible
    I believe God can work without faith but I don't believe He does work without faith...Faith is the avenue of God's activity with mankind...throughout our human history He has searched for someone to BELIEVE Him and trust Him...it was through that thread of faith from Adam to Jesus that we have salvation.

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    Whose faith is involved when Jesus reveals himself directly to Muslim villages ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I don't think there was much faith operating in the Old Testament except among those who had a very particular revelation of God and who were anointed with his Holy Spirit. More likely Hezekiah prayed then God sent Isaiah who produced a sign by the anointing and then the corresponding healing. Maybe Hezekiah believed after he saw the sign, it doesn't tell. But there was no message on inheriting God's various promises by faith in the Old Testament, just a general call to believe God. Let's not read the OT as if the new covenant was already revealed at that time, it was not.
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    "Hear my prayer, O LORD, give ear to my supplications: in thy faithfulness answer me, and in thy righteousness." Psalms 143:1

    Folk

    "Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith." Habakkuk 2:4

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    "The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want." Psalms 23:1

    Faith

    "For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
    And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
    Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me." Job 19:25-27

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    Numbers 14:26 The Lord said to Moses and Aaron:
    27 “How long will this wicked community grumble against me? I have heard the complaints of these grumbling Israelites.
    28 So tell them, ‘As surely as I live, declares the Lord, I will do to you the very thing I heard you say:
    29 In this wilderness your bodies will fall—every one of you twenty years old or more who was counted in the census and who has grumbled against me.
    30 Not one of you will enter the land I swore with uplifted hand to make your home, except Caleb son of Jephunneh and Joshua son of Nun.

    Ezekiel 16:1 The word of the Lord came to me: 2 “Son of man, confront Jerusalem with her detestable practices 3 and say, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says to Jerusalem: Your ancestry and birth were in the land of the Canaanites; your father was an Amorite and your mother a Hittite. 4 On the day you were born your cord was not cut, nor were you washed with water to make you clean, nor were you rubbed with salt or wrapped in cloths. 5 No one looked on you with pity or had compassion enough to do any of these things for you. Rather, you were thrown out into the open field, for on the day you were born you were despised.
    6 “‘Then I passed by and saw you kicking about in your blood, and as you lay there in your blood I said to you, “Live!”[a] 7 I made you grow like a plant of the field. You grew and developed and entered puberty. Your breasts had formed and your hair had grown, yet you were stark naked.
    8 “‘Later I passed by, and when I looked at you and saw that you were old enough for love, I spread the corner of my garment over you and covered your naked body. I gave you my solemn oath and entered into a covenant with you, declares the Sovereign Lord, and you became mine.
    9 “‘I bathed you with water and washed the blood from you and put ointments on you. 10 I clothed you with an embroidered dress and put sandals of fine leather on you. I dressed you in fine linen and covered you with costly garments. 11 I adorned you with jewelry: I put bracelets on your arms and a necklace around your neck, 12 and I put a ring on your nose, earrings on your ears and a beautiful crown on your head. 13 So you were adorned with gold and silver; your clothes were of fine linen and costly fabric and embroidered cloth. Your food was honey, olive oil and the finest flour. You became very beautiful and rose to be a queen. 14 And your fame spread among the nations on account of your beauty, because the splendor I had given you made your beauty perfect, declares the Sovereign Lord.
    15 “‘But you trusted in your beauty and used your fame to become a prostitute. You lavished your favors on anyone who passed by and your beauty became his. 16 You took some of your garments to make gaudy high places, where you carried on your prostitution. You went to him, and he possessed your beauty.[b] 17 You also took the fine jewelry I gave you, the jewelry made of my gold and silver, and you made for yourself male idols and engaged in prostitution with them. 18 And you took your embroidered clothes to put on them, and you offered my oil and incense before them. 19 Also the food I provided for you—the flour, olive oil and honey I gave you to eat—you offered as fragrant incense before them. That is what happened, declares the Sovereign Lord.
    20 “‘And you took your sons and daughters whom you bore to me and sacrificed them as food to the idols. Was your prostitution not enough? 21 You slaughtered my children and sacrificed them to the idols. 22 In all your detestable practices and your prostitution you did not remember the days of your youth, when you were naked and bare, kicking about in your blood.
    23 “‘Woe! Woe to you, declares the Sovereign Lord. In addition to all your other wickedness, 24 you built a mound for yourself and made a lofty shrine in every public square. 25 At every street corner you built your lofty shrines and degraded your beauty, spreading your legs with increasing promiscuity to anyone who passed by. 26 You engaged in prostitution with the Egyptians, your neighbors with large genitals, and aroused my anger with your increasing promiscuity. 27 So I stretched out my hand against you and reduced your territory; I gave you over to the greed of your enemies, the daughters of the Philistines, who were shocked by your lewd conduct. 28 You engaged in prostitution with the Assyrians too, because you were insatiable; and even after that, you still were not satisfied. 29 Then you increased your promiscuity to include Babylonia,[c] a land of merchants, but even with this you were not satisfied.
    30 “‘I am filled with fury against you,[d] declares the Sovereign Lord, when you do all these things, acting like a brazen prostitute! 31 When you built your mounds at every street corner and made your lofty shrines in every public square, you were unlike a prostitute, because you scorned payment.
    32 “‘You adulterous wife! You prefer strangers to your own husband! 33 All prostitutes receive gifts, but you give gifts to all your lovers, bribing them to come to you from everywhere for your illicit favors. 34 So in your prostitution you are the opposite of others; no one runs after you for your favors. You are the very opposite, for you give payment and none is given to you.

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