Thread: Anyone for a heresy?

Where can I find these people who conform to the definitions contained under "semi-pelagianism" ?

Originally Posted by Colonel

Where can I find these people who conform to the definitions contained under "semi-pelagianism" ?

Anywhere you find people who teach that "God and man cooperate to achieve man's salvation" (provided the spelling's correct)

That's not good enough.

Originally Posted by Colonel

That's not good enough.

s.o.r.r.y...

Well churches in most older denominations shouldn't be in this category based on their official statements of faith though from what I understand most of the Anglican Church is Australia has gone high church or liberal so you may find it there and ditto in similar situations all over the world.

But (is this what you're looking for) I suspect you'll find semi-pelagianism is the salvation theology in most Charismatic/ Pentecostal churches.

Wesley was a precursor of the Holiness movement which was a precursor of the Pentecostal movement and he taught prevenient grace. In general Pentecostalism is about convicting and drawing people to take up faith in Jesus by way of a demonstration of Spirit and power so there is no question that prevenient grace is a foundational belief among Pentecostals, whether or not it is spelled out in their official doctrinal statements.

Originally Posted by Cardinal TT

Kenosis...

I eat low carb, and because of that by body goes into ketosis. That's the state where you start burning glucose for fuel and start burning fat. When the happens your body starts burning ketones and goes into ketosis, not to be confused with ketoacidosis which is a harmful state that diabetics get into. So when my body goes into ketosis...uh...hmmm...I see you said KENOSIS.

Never mind.

Originally Posted by Cardinal TT

Ah oh we are heretics....get ready

Don't worry... he can't prove any of his beliefs from scripture.

He has to go dig up writings by seminary professors and catholik adherents

God and man cooperate to achieve man's salvation

You wouldn't be saying God can save someone without their receiving what God has done for man thru Jesus... are you?

In other words, can God save a person without their involvement or being in agreement the the Lord's will?

Originally Posted by Farm Truck

Don't worry... he can't prove any of his beliefs from scripture.

He has to go dig up writings by seminary professors and catholik adherents


Ok


You wouldn't be saying God can save someone without their receiving what God has done for man thru Jesus... are you?

In other words, can God save a person without their involvement or being in agreement the the Lord's will?

You might ask Saul of Tarsus about that.

Originally Posted by Bookman

You might ask Saul of Tarsus about that.

I know lots of people that got saved without Jesus appearing to them.. if Paul had not acknowledged Jesus, he would have lost his life that day and Jesus would have chosen someone else to take the gospel to the gentiles.

Jesus indicated that Paul was attacking Him personally by persecuting Christians.

Yes, the holy Spirits draws all men... but the Lord cannot just save someone without them coming to faith and choosing to believe which of course if done with the power of the Holy Ghost... none the less, man must choose to turn away from darkness and unto the Lord.

If God could save men without their involvement, then universal-ism would be true.... many today are claiming all will be saved, boy are they going to be shocked!

Originally Posted by Colonel

In general Pentecostalism is about convicting and drawing people to take up faith in Jesus by way of a demonstration of Spirit and power so there is no question that prevenient grace is a foundational belief among Pentecostals, whether or not it is spelled out in their official doctrinal statements.

And Pentecostalism teaches that the final choice lies with man not God which is also a part of Semi-P.