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Originally Posted by
fuego
Well, technically Adam wasn't really 'born again' from life to death because we never refer to death as a 'birth' (born). We always speak of going from life to death as death, dying, etc, not 'born'. Having said that, I 'get' what FT is saying. Is just not really accurate in how we use the English language, or in any body else language for that matter. As I said we never refer to one dying as a 'birth/born'.
Okay, so the ball didn't manage go from top spin to back spin while rolling this time. I was worried there for a little while.
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What is FT's point anyway ? That Adam became truly alive by turning to sin ?
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Originally Posted by
fuego
Well, technically Adam wasn't really 'born again' from life to death because we never refer to death as a 'birth' (born). We always speak of going from life to death as death, dying, etc, not 'born'. Having said that, I 'get' what FT is saying. Is just not really accurate in how we use the English language, or in any body else language for that matter. As I said we never refer to one dying as a 'birth/born'.
I know, and I know where he probably heard it put that way.
(But, I'm glad that you agree with me.)
It wasn't a hill I was willing to die on, but he was factually inaccurate.
It is just a "ditty".
This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
(Ephesians 4:17-18)
Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
(Psalm 1)
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Originally Posted by
GodismyJudge
I know, and I know where he probably heard it put that way.
Yeah, I can't remember exactly who said it, but it was one of 'them' that we would be familiar with.
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Originally Posted by
Cardinal TT
A thousand men and women clad in the attire of their ancestors wept a thousand tears as the Farm Truck departed and a million tears as he returned to them once more.
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Originally Posted by
fuego
Yeah, I can't remember exactly who said it, but it was one of 'them' that we would be familiar with.
Pretty sure it was Copeland, who FT now disavows.
This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
(Ephesians 4:17-18)
Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
(Psalm 1)
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That Adam became truly alive by turning to sin ?
No, you gotta pay attention... Adam was alive, committed sin, and then because separated from God which is what death is.
So, Adam became dead by turning to sin.
Pretty sure it was Copeland, who FT now disavows.
Early Copeland had some pretty good stuff that was Bible based... now he is into the pope.
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It's one of those comments that sounds spiritual but is really non-sensical and unscriptural
GIMJ explained it in post 16
Originally Posted by
GodismyJudge
Adam died spiritually.
How is that being "born-again"?
Being born is to begin to live, to be made alive, to give life
We are "made alive together with Christ"
Death is the absence of life.
Adam was created by God, he disobeyed and then he died spiritually.
Being born and dying are two different things, and are polar opposites.
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So, your saying that Adam sinned... and did not die?
It is scriptural that Adam died... that cannot be disputed.
He was alive and he became dead. He was in fellowship with God, and became out of fellowship with God.
This is basic, simple understanding of how mankind got into the condition it is in... separated from God and in need of a Savior.
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Originally Posted by
Farm Truck
So, your saying that Adam sinned... and did not die?
It is scriptural that Adam died... that cannot be disputed.
He was alive and he became dead. He was in fellowship with God, and became out of fellowship with God.
This is basic, simple understanding of how mankind got into the condition it is in... separated from God and in need of a Savior.
He's saying he wasn't 'born again' in reverse so to speak. My post above:
Well, technically Adam wasn't really 'born again' from life to death because we never refer to death as a 'birth' (born). We always speak of going from life to death as death, dying, etc, not 'born'. Having said that, I 'get' what FT is saying. Is just not really accurate in how we use the English language, or in any body else language for that matter. As I said we never refer to one dying as a 'birth/born'.
I get what you are saying when you say Adam was the first 'born again' man going from life to death, but in the way we use our language, we never use 'born' or 'birth' in regards to death.
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