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    I work at a "Noneya" business
    noneya. Contraction of "none of your business".

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Well I gave you the scripture for it. :)
    No, you gave the scripture for the first Man to be born from the dead... which was Jesus.

    But, Jesus was not the first man to be "born again".

    Gotta go tomorrow... so I'll go ahead and leave the answer so you guys and discuss amongst yourselves.

    The first man to be born again was... Adam.

    He was born again from life... unto death. The second Adam (or last Adam, Jesus) was born again from death unto life because He came to destroy the works of the devil so He had to undo what happened to Adam.

    But, Adam was actually the first man to be born again in that he was alive, he sinned, and then became spiritually dead.

    1 Corinthians 15:21,22
    For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
    For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.


    This makes a great bible trivia question (for those that play games like this), that can be used to actually teach since many bible trivia questions are general knowledge and doesn't lend to meaningful teaching.

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    Bad analogy.

    According to that reasoning, Jesus was "born-again" twice?

    He went from Life unto Death before He was raised up from Death unto Life.
    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farm Truck View Post
    But, Adam was actually the first man to be born again in that he was alive, he sinned, and then became spiritually dead.
    So dying spiritually is being born again?

    Did he then see the kingdom of heaven, cause Jesus says that unless we're born again we can't see it.

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    According to that reasoning, Jesus was "born-again" twice?

    He went from Life unto Death before He was raised up from Death unto Life.
    Never said that... Adam was born from life to death once.
    Jesus was "made to be sin" (2 Corinthians 5:21) and was born from death unto life. (see 1 Corinthians 15:21,22)

    The subject matter here is... the first person to be born again was Adam because it is not disputable according to scripture that Adam was alive unto God, and he sinned, and became dead unto God.



    Did he then see the kingdom of heaven, cause Jesus says that unless we're born again we can't see it.
    Whether Adam ended up going to Heaven or not is irrelevant to this topic. Adam was in fact changed from life unto death according to scripture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farm Truck View Post
    Never said that... Adam was born from life to death once.
    Jesus was "made to be sin" (2 Corinthians 5:21) and was born from death unto life. (see 1 Corinthians 15:21,22)

    The subject matter here is... the first person to be born again was Adam because it is not disputable according to scripture that Adam was alive unto God, and he sinned, and became dead unto God.
    Adam died spiritually.

    How is that being "born-again"?

    Being born is to begin to live, to be made alive, to give life

    We are "made alive together with Christ"


    Death is the absence of life.

    Adam was created by God, he disobeyed and then he died spiritually.

    Being born and dying are two different things, and are polar opposites.
    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farm Truck View Post
    Never said that... Adam was born from life to death once.
    Jesus was "made to be sin" (2 Corinthians 5:21) and was born from death unto life. (see 1 Corinthians 15:21,22)
    Just buried an uncle 3 hours ago. He was not "born" from life to death, he died.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GodismyJudge View Post
    Adam died spiritually.

    How is that being "born-again"?

    Being born is to begin to live, to be made alive, to give life

    We are "made alive together with Christ"


    Death is the absence of life.

    Adam was created by God, he disobeyed and then he died spiritually.

    Being born and dying are two different things, and are polar opposites.
    I get what FT is saying.

    GIMJ, you're overthinking what he said. Just accept what he said as true, it's a 'cute' little diddy, move on and forget about it. lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    I get what FT is saying.

    GIMJ, you're overthinking what he said. Just accept what he said as true, it's a 'cute' little diddy, move on and forget about it. lol.
    Is this thread an exposition on why spin and English are synonymous ?

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    Well, technically Adam wasn't really 'born again' from life to death because we never refer to death as a 'birth' (born). We always speak of going from life to death as death, dying, etc, not 'born'. Having said that, I 'get' what FT is saying. Is just not really accurate in how we use the English language, or in any body else language for that matter. As I said we never refer to one dying as a 'birth/born'.

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