Thread: Interesting... OSAS

1 Corinthians 9:27
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Romans 1:28
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind

Castaway in 1 Corinthians 9:27 is Strong’s G0096
Reprobate in Romans 1:28 is G0096

G0096 in the greek is:
unapproved, rejected, worthless (literally or morally): KJV -- castaway, rejected, reprobate.

This is another point where Paul is demonstrating that OSAS is false even saying it was possible for him to be rejected by the Lord, having fallen away... IF he did not keep his body under subjection which is saying he walked after the spirit and not the flesh so he would not be rejected.

This is in agreement with Romans 8:4 and Romans 8:13 among others...

Originally Posted by Farm Truck

1 Corinthians 9:27
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Romans 1:28
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind

Castaway in 1 Corinthians 9:27 is Strong's G0096
Reprobate in Romans 1:28 is G0096

G0096 in the greek is:
unapproved, rejected, worthless (literally or morally): KJV -- castaway, rejected, reprobate.

This is another point where Paul is demonstrating that OSAS is false even saying it was possible for him to be rejected by the Lord, having fallen away... IF he did not keep his body under subjection which is saying he walked after the spirit and not the flesh so he would not be rejected.

This is in agreement with Romans 8:4 and Romans 8:13 among others...

You trying to pull a VW FT? One misinterpreted verse does not a doctrine kill.

Even Scofield disagrees with you and he's on your side:

Gr. adokimos, "disapproved." Dokimos, without the private a, is translated "approved" in Rom 14:18 16:10 1Cor 11:19 2Cor 10:18 2Tim 2:15 Jas 1:12, by the word "tried." The prefix simply changes the word to a negative, i.e. not approved, or, disapproved. The apostle is writing of service, not of salvation. He is not expressing fear that he may fail of salvation but of his crown. See "Rewards" Dan 12:3 1Cor 3:14.
http://christianity.stackexchange.co...orinthians-927

What you're totally ignoring is the other bits of the Bible that tell us that "Perseverance is a work that God, in his own strength, accomplishes in believers. That Christians' perseverance is accomplished by God is made especially clear at John 6:35-40:"

Originally Posted by Jesus the Son of God

Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day."

Originally Posted by wheeze

Yeah, that's right.

Originally Posted by wheeze

Perhaps the forum should charge admission fees.

Originally Posted by FunFromOz

That Christians' perseverance is accomplished by God

It's God's power... but it's our decision to allow Him to live in us, or not.

All you are doing is making excuses for people which plays right into the hands of satan who will jump right in and let people know that they have no control over their actions when God's Word clearly teaches that man is in fact RESPONSIBLE for his actions.

One must understand what God did when He created man... God created man in His own image meaning He literally replicated Himself when He created man. God Himself was the pattern He used when He created us which is why God is not mocked, what we sow is what we reap (Gal 6:7,8)

To say we have no control over what we decide to live after (the flesh and the wisdom of fallen man... or to be led by the Holy Spirit)... is to mock God, and in the end Jesus will tell those that mock God to depart because He was not allowed to have intimate relations with them which is His will (2 Cor 6:16)... we are the ones who decide if God is actually going to live in us, or if we are going to give lip service to being a Christian while our heart is far from Him.

Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Too bad Jesus totally forgot to tell us here that God is responsible for deciding to overcome for us and that we are robots that God controls and we have no say so over anything.

If that is true, then God lied when He said in Genesis that He created man in His likeness and when He said let man have dominion (Genesis 1:26)... I'm not surprised that some in these last days would claim God's written Word contains lies. Par for course.

Where did this "we have no control" "we are robots" garbage (would have liked to use worse) come from in the above FT?

If one on the mods does something for you, e.g. edits your post to correct your spelling, does that make you their robot?

Of course not. So how is God saving us and ensuring that we stay saved make us one?

it also is amusing to see the "it means we don't have any responsibility" argument.

NO one ever, E.V.E.R. claims that. We ALL must accept the responsibility for our own sin.

Originally Posted by FunFromOz

Where did this "we have no control" "we are robots" garbage (would have liked to use worse) come from in the above FT?

If one on the mods does something for you, e.g. edits your post to correct your spelling, does that make you their robot?

Of course not. So how is God saving us and ensuring that we stay saved make us one?

Let me get this straight... you believe God "controls" people and "prevents" them from living a lifestyle of sin after they initially get born again?

You do understand that some people backslide and choose to live after the flesh, right?

In your view this means God decided to not "prevent" them from backsliding, while others He "prevents" from backsliding?

The Word is quite clear that if we live after the flesh we shall die...

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

This verse says YOU thru the Spirit should put to death (mortify) the deeds of the body... not God.

God provides the power / ability thru the Holy Ghost, but YOU must use what God has made available to you.

Here's another section of scripture for your viewing pleasure:

Romans 6:12-16
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Galatians 6:7,8
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

James 1:22
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

According to scripture... we have some choices to make and the Lord will allow us to choose Him or choose sin and fall away.

God is not making us stay saved independent of our choosing to remain in agreement with Him, to walk with Him. Can two walk together, except they be agreed? (Amos 3:3)

And, whassup with God saying man has dominion in Genesis when He created man? This is why God said what He did in Galatians 6:7,8

Originally Posted by Farm Truck

Let me get this straight... you believe God "controls" people and "prevents" them from living a lifestyle of sin after they initially get born again?

NO I DON"T (sorry for shouting but but some are hard of hearing)

Originally Posted by Farm Truck

You do understand that some people backslide and choose to live after the flesh, right?

Yep, this can happen.

Originally Posted by Farm Truck

In your view this means God decided to not "prevent" them from backsliding, while others He "prevents" from backsliding?

Again NO.

which makes the rest of your argument which is based on thinking I believe things I don't skippable at the moment (even if it is accurate to the level it goes).

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Consider this:

Two physical people decide to have a child. They bring him home, love him, give him comfort and a warm place to sleep, they raise him, they train him, but most importantly having given him physical birth they feed him and keep him physically alive. Does anyone say that that child is a robot because someone gave it physical life and is keeping it physically alive?

So some say that our spiritual Father gives us spiritual life and besides loving us and all that stuff keeps us spiritually alive. How come others say for that to happen we have to be robots?

I don't understand.