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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    This definition is from WIKI so imperfect but:

    Protestantism is a form of Christian faith and practice which originated with the Protestant Reformation, a movement against what its followers considered to be errors in the Roman Catholic Church.

    I sometimes get the feeling that today's Protestants don't know that or what the errors in the RCC protested against were/still are.

    Sad, but explains why some go back to the same RCC errors.
    Most modern RCC believers are closer to modern Protestants in their actual beliefs (including emphasis) than they are to the RCC of 500 years ago.

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    Most modern RCC believers are closer to modern Protestants in their actual beliefs (including emphasis) than they are to the RCC of 500 years ago.
    Not the ones I know.

    And how far back towards the RCC have modern protestants moved?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Not the ones I know.

    And how far back towards the RCC have modern protestants moved?
    I think it is mostly the other way around. They typically don't deny that salvation hinges mostly on faith and that it is about Jesus and not really about Mary, etc. There are exceptions of course.

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    It seems to me that Catholics have painted Mother Teresa's conduct in rather rosy colors, there are question marks raised about the real value of a lot of the things she has done, apart from whatever it was that she actually believed.
    It could well be that her sainthood is a thoroughly manufactured one, based on popularized notions more than anything else.
    I kind of agree with you; I say let her example, with all of the flaws, be a lesson to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by njtom View Post
    I kind of agree with you; I say let her example, with all of the flaws, be a lesson to us.
    I like John Paul II much better and he is also a saint now.

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    John 5:24 . . Amen, amen, I say to you: whoever hears my word, and believes in the one who sent me, has eternal life and will not come to condemnation, but has passed from death to life.

    Seeing as how Teresa seriously doubted the existence of God, then she failed to "believe in the one who sent me". That being the case, then according to Christ's testimony-- as an expert witness in all matters pertaining to Christianity --Teresa does not have eternal life, and she will be condemned at the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15 where her works as a missionary will not be used as evidence on her behalf, but actually as evidence in the prosecution's case against her. Why? Because her works were not done in faith.

    Ironically, a demon's level of faith is actually superior to Teresa's. At least they believe in the existence of God.

    Jas 2:19-20 . . You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-- and tremble!

    I simply cannot approve a missionary whose iffy belief in the existence of God doesn't even measure up to the quality of a demon's belief.

    Matt 7:22-23 . . Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Master, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them: I never knew you. Depart from me, you that work iniquity.

    Christ's statement doesn't target Atheists, nor Hindus, nor Buddhists, nor Muslims. No, it targets people professing to have prophesied in "thy name" and to have exorcised demons in "thy name" and to have done many wonderful works in "thy name". In other words: the Lord's statement targets Christians-- and not just your average rank and file pew warmers either, rather, it targets the cream of the crop; the celebrities of the Christian world; renowned for their accomplishments, their piety, their perseverance, their love, their influence, and their dedication.

    For example: Christians who pray up a storm, publish books, pioneer churches, seminaries and Christian schools, chair Sunday school classes, pound pulpits, sing in the choir, champion civil rights, travel the world, speak to crowds, win accolades, initiate charities, canonized to sainthood, and operate hostels and orphanages in impoverished cities.

    It is to many of those kinds of Christian superstars that the Lord will say "I never knew you." Why? Because though they were busy as bees, ants, and termites in Christian service capacities; they were in it for themselves rather than in it for Christ. In other words: they were ambitious instead of obedient.

    How do I know that Teresa was disobedient? That's easy. When people are compliant with Christ's wishes, he keeps them company.

    John 14:18 . . I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

    John 14:23 . . Whoever loves me will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our dwelling with him.

    Did Jesus and his Father make their dwelling with Teresa and express their love for her in ways she could understand and appreciate? No; that poor woman endured virtually five decades yearning for even the slightest glimmer of their presence.

    Had Teresa's spiritual counselors been on the ball they would have immediately suggested that maybe it wasn't God's will for her to be in India and that's why He and Christ were avoiding her. In other words: their absence was a "dew on the fleece" that Teresa had parted company with them somewhere back down the line at a critical point in her spiritual journey.

    1John 1:3 . .What we have seen and heard we proclaim now to you, so that you too may have fellowship with us; for our fellowship is with the Father and with His son, Jesus Christ.

    What does that tell you? Well; it tells me that Teresa was either untrained in the apostle's proclamations, or figured she could get by without them because her fellowship with the Father and with His son Jesus Christ wasn't even marginal: it was zero.

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    Mother Teresa was either an agent of the enemy or an agent of God (despite her own doubts). What does the work of Satan look like? What does the work of God look like? Does Mother Teresa's ministry manifest a Satanic mindset or a Christ-like mindset?

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    So now you are going to condemn Mother Teresa to hell for not feeling the presence of God ? There are millions of non-Pentecostal Protestants who pride themselves in believing without seeing or feeling anything, you're condemning all of them at the same time. How about yourself, where is your testimony about the presence of the Holy Spirit coming upon you ? I can't recall having read anything else than the exact opposite.

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    John 5:24 . . Amen, amen, I say to you: whoever hears my word, and believes in the one who sent me, has eternal life and will not come to condemnation, but has passed from death to life.

    Seeing as how Teresa seriously doubted the existence of God, then she failed to "believe in the one who sent me". That being the case, then according to Christ's testimony-- as an expert witness in all matters pertaining to Christianity --Teresa does not have eternal life, and she will be condemned at the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15 where her works as a missionary will not be used as evidence on her behalf, but actually as evidence in the prosecution's case against her. Why? Because her works were not done in faith.

    Ironically, a demon's level of faith is actually superior to Teresa's. At least they believe in the existence of God.

    Jas 2:19-20 . . You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-- and tremble!

    I simply cannot approve a missionary whose iffy belief in the existence of God doesn't even measure up to the quality of a demon's belief.

    Matt 7:22-23 . . Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Master, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them: I never knew you. Depart from me, you that work iniquity.

    Christ's statement doesn't target Atheists, nor Hindus, nor Buddhists, nor Muslims. No, it targets people professing to have prophesied in "thy name" and to have exorcised demons in "thy name" and to have done many wonderful works in "thy name". In other words: the Lord's statement targets Christians-- and not just your average rank and file pew warmers either, rather, it targets the cream of the crop; the celebrities of the Christian world; renowned for their accomplishments, their piety, their perseverance, their love, their influence, and their dedication.

    For example: Christians who pray up a storm, publish books, pioneer churches, seminaries and Christian schools, chair Sunday school classes, pound pulpits, sing in the choir, champion civil rights, travel the world, speak to crowds, win accolades, initiate charities, canonized to sainthood, and operate hostels and orphanages in impoverished cities.

    It is to many of those kinds of Christian superstars that the Lord will say "I never knew you." Why? Because though they were busy as bees, ants, and termites in Christian service capacities; they were in it for themselves rather than in it for Christ. In other words: they were ambitious instead of obedient.

    How do I know that Teresa was disobedient? That's easy. When people are compliant with Christ's wishes, he keeps them company.

    John 14:18 . . I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

    John 14:23 . . Whoever loves me will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our dwelling with him.

    Did Jesus and his Father make their dwelling with Teresa and express their love for her in ways she could understand and appreciate? No; that poor woman endured virtually five decades yearning for even the slightest glimmer of their presence.

    Had Teresa's spiritual counselors been on the ball they would have immediately suggested that maybe it wasn't God's will for her to be in India and that's why He and Christ were avoiding her. In other words: their absence was a "dew on the fleece" that Teresa had parted company with them somewhere back down the line at a critical point in her spiritual journey.

    1John 1:3 . .What we have seen and heard we proclaim now to you, so that you too may have fellowship with us; for our fellowship is with the Father and with His son, Jesus Christ.

    What does that tell you? Well; it tells me that Teresa was either untrained in the apostle's proclamations, or figured she could get by without them because her fellowship with the Father and with His son Jesus Christ was zero.

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    Most modern RCC believers are closer to modern Protestants in their actual beliefs (including emphasis) than they are to the RCC of 500 years ago.
    My children have all gone to Catholic school, this is my experience as well sitting through more Mass services than I care to remember. Perhaps I'm viewing their services through my protestant filter, I tend to dismiss what doesn't line up with my beliefs.

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    Towards the end of her life, Teresa began to worry that if there be God, he might not like her, and might actually be quite inclined to condemn her. What's wrong with that picture? Well; I'll tell you what's wrong.

    According to the Holy Bible-- which Roman Catholicism holds in very high regard --God has a supernatural way of assuring His own that He does in fact exist and that they are not abandoned.

    John 14:16-18 . . I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Counselor to be with you forever-- the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for He lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

    Rom 8:16 . .The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,

    The Greek word for "bears witness" means to corroborate; which Webster's defines as: to support with evidence.

    It's possible to short circuit the corroboration process.

    1Ths 5:19 . . Do not quench the Spirit.

    How does one quench the Spirit? Well . . the better question is: How did the most dedicated Catholic nun the twentieth century ever produced manage to quench Him? If the most pious role model in the modern Catholic world could quench God's Spirit for virtually five decades, then where does that leave John Q and Jane Doe pew warmer?

    2Cor 13:5 . . Examine yourselves to see whether you are living in faith. Test yourselves. Do you not realize that Jesus Christ is in you? --unless, of course, you fail the test.

    To her credit; Teresa did quite a bit of self examination; and concluded that Christ wasn't in her.

    "the place of God in my soul is blank-- there is no God in me"

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