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Those are good verses. John also said the following about the need to follow Jesus's commands.
1 John 2:3-6 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.
Teresa, despite her doubts, followed Jesus's command to love her neighbors, to a much greater extent than most, in my view. I would say one could ask: Who is more insubordinate: the one who doubts but nevertheless follows the commands, or the one who claims faith but doesn't follow the commands?
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That isn't very different to things you yourself have said on this forum in the past, things that have made me question whether you are a believer at all. Like belief in God and the gospel being insanity but you choose to do it anyway, like you stated that you had told an atheist once. Can't see much of a difference except that you and Mother Teresa are found on different sides of the divide between Catholics and non/ex/anti-Catholics.
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Teresa complained of being abandoned by Christ and referred to him as "the absent one". She also complained that "the place of God in my soul is blank-- there is no God in me" and "I am told God loves me; and yet the reality of darkness & coldness & emptiness is so great that nothing touches my soul."
That right there tells me Teresa was grossly insubordinate.
● John 14:18 . . I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
● John 14:23 . . Whoever loves me will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our dwelling with him.
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It seems to me that Catholics have painted Mother Teresa's conduct in rather rosy colors, there are question marks raised about the real value of a lot of the things she has done, apart from whatever it was that she actually believed.
It could well be that her sainthood is a thoroughly manufactured one, based on popularized notions more than anything else.
Originally Posted by
njtom
Those are good verses. John also said the following about the need to follow Jesus's commands.
1 John 2:3-6 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.
Teresa, despite her doubts, followed Jesus's command to love her neighbors, to a much greater extent than most, in my view. I would say one could ask: Who is more insubordinate: the one who doubts but nevertheless follows the commands, or the one who claims faith but doesn't follow the commands?
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Bookman
I'm far from Catholic, but I believe she's in heaven. I agree that she may have suffered from depression.
I'm with you on this Bookman. Of course she'd suffer depression. The woman was around despair, squalor, and depression for decades. Did she ever take a break or vacation?? I can imagine Satan oppressing her thought life. Depression is a disease as much as cancer. Being ill doesn't keep people out of heaven.
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This is nothing new. It is common to hear about from the RCC.
Understanding the ‘dark night of the soul’ The feeling of spiritual emptiness, or being abandoned by God, is natural in the process of growing closer to Christ Emily Stimpson OSV Newsweekly
Read more here if you care to:
https://www.osv.com/OSVNewsweekly/By...l’-.aspx
I'd appreciate no ugly anti RCC remarks about this post.
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curly sue
I think it amounts to empty religion and it's the emptiness they feel coming forth from it. Doesn't necessarily mean they aren't saved. Just my .02
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I think it amounts to empty religion and it's the emptiness they feel coming forth from it. Doesn't necessarily mean they aren't saved. Just my .02
I was thinking when I posted that about the lack of the power of the Holy Spirit within.
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curly sue
I was thinking when I posted that about the lack of the power of the Holy Spirit within.
Catholics can be extremely religious, I've been around a few. It doesn't need to have anything whatsoever to do with the Holy Spirit. When it is strictly emotional and according to own power, there will be emptiness beneath the external and sometimes internal facade.
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Originally Posted by
Colonel
When it is strictly emotional and according to own power, there will be emptiness beneath the external and sometimes internal facade.
A friend of my Dad's was worried at an old age if he would get to heaven and the Catholic priest came back saying yes as he'd been a good man etc. Such deception.
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This definition is from WIKI so imperfect but:
Protestantism is a form of Christian faith and practice which originated with the Protestant Reformation, a movement against what its followers considered to be errors in the Roman Catholic Church.
I sometimes get the feeling that today's Protestants don't know that or what the errors in the RCC protested against were/still are.
Sad, but explains why some go back to the same RCC errors.
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