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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    I'd explain it better if I understood exactly what you're asking.

    You originally asked "Please define that sentence part precisely." and I'm unsure what sentence part you're talking about.

    You then say "It doesn't mean being less perfect in one's walk than Jesus." and again I don't know what you mean here.

    Sorry maybe my comprehension CPU is slow tonight (joke).
    If it means that all Christians live in sin or fall into certains sins reoccuringly then no, he is simply wrong.

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    If it means that all Christians live in sin or fall into certains sins reoccuringly then no, he is simply wrong.
    No but this:

    Paul describes in the Book of Romans a much deeper frustration—one with which only Christians can identify and one with which all Christians can identify. The Christian’s agony comes from realizing that our sinful flesh refuses to respond to the requirements of God’s Law. Those things which we as Christians despise we find ourselves doing. Those things which we as Christians desire we fail to accomplish. No matter how much we may wish to serve God in our minds, we find ourselves sinning in our bodies. As Paul describes his frustration in Romans 7, with his mind he desires to serve God. He agrees with the Law of God and rejoices in it. He wants to do what is right, but his body will not respond. He watches, almost as a third party, as sin sends a signal to his body, and as his body responds, “What would you like to do?” Paul finds, as we do, that while our fleshly bodies refuse to obey God and do that which we desire and which delights God, they quickly and eagerly respond to the impulses and desires aroused by sin.

    https://bible.org/seriespage/14-war-...-romans-714-25

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    No but this:

    Paul describes in the Book of Romans a much deeper frustration—one with which only Christians can identify and one with which all Christians can identify. The Christian’s agony comes from realizing that our sinful flesh refuses to respond to the requirements of God’s Law. Those things which we as Christians despise we find ourselves doing. Those things which we as Christians desire we fail to accomplish. No matter how much we may wish to serve God in our minds, we find ourselves sinning in our bodies. As Paul describes his frustration in Romans 7, with his mind he desires to serve God. He agrees with the Law of God and rejoices in it. He wants to do what is right, but his body will not respond. He watches, almost as a third party, as sin sends a signal to his body, and as his body responds, “What would you like to do?” Paul finds, as we do, that while our fleshly bodies refuse to obey God and do that which we desire and which delights God, they quickly and eagerly respond to the impulses and desires aroused by sin.

    https://bible.org/seriespage/14-war-...-romans-714-25
    Paul is describing himself according to the flesh in Romans 7. Christians use it as an excuse to live according to the flesh instead of according to the Spirit, at least occasionally and reoccuringly but it is a mere excuse. See my thread on this same sub-forum.

    Again, Sproul needs the baptism in the Spirit. The fullness of the Spirit makes it much easier to live according to the Spirit.

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    Paul is describing himself according to the flesh in Romans 7.
    Apparently that is debated. As I haven't seen such a debate before I can't comment either way.

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    Christians use it as an excuse to live according to the flesh instead of according to the Spirit, at least occasionally and reoccuringly but it is a mere excuse.
    There is no excuse for sin.

    However because we are fallen human beings we will face temptations to sin all our lives and sometimes we'll succumb to those temptations. The Valiant Man course mentioned earlier was created because men face sexual temptation no matter their age, how long they've been a Christian, their role in the church and whether or not they're BHS. The course helps them reduce the temptations and the number of times they fail.

    Pretending that people can get to the point of never sinning is just as bad as excusing sin IMO.

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    Again, Sproul needs the baptism in the Spirit. The fullness of the Spirit makes it much easier to live according to the Spirit.
    Who says he hasn't got it? I had it without knowing that I did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Apparently that is debated. As I haven't seen such a debate before I can't comment either way.

    There is no excuse for sin.

    However because we are fallen human beings we will face temptations to sin all our lives and sometimes we'll succumb to those temptations..
    Why is that ?

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    Why is that ?
    Because we're human beings who were once sinners estranged from God and one of the things we needed after being saved was to be sanctified. However this is an individually tailored process in each of us and takes at least a lifetime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Because we're human beings who were once sinners estranged from God and one of the things we needed after being saved was to be sanctified. However this is an individually tailored process in each of us and takes at least a lifetime.
    That's just an excuse. What you are promoting is nothing more than double-mindedness.

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    That's just an excuse. What you are promoting is nothing more than double-mindedness.
    So you never break a speeding law, park a little non parallel, get angry, see a girl walk past and think "nice", litter, be impatient, say something untrue, put yourself before God, spend a second at work doing something for yourself, wish you got the "secret Santa" present someone else got, etc.

    You're life is lived absolutely perfectly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    So you never break a speeding law, park a little non parallel, get angry, see a girl walk past and think "nice", litter, be impatient, say something untrue, put yourself before God, spend a second at work doing something for yourself, wish you got the "secret Santa" present someone else got, etc.

    You're life is lived absolutely perfectly?
    We already discussed this previously. Sproul's sentence does not refer to walking as perfectly as Jesus. You lump "park a little non parallell" together with "falling to temptation to sin" into the same category and thereby create an excuse for doing both. We're not talking about things like the former.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    You lump "park a little non parallell" together with "falling to temptation to sin"
    Nope, actually the first's often deliberate (well speeding often is) the other isn't.
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    into the same category
    They're both wrong
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    and thereby create an excuse for doing both.
    No way would I do that. There is no way I would excuse either, but just as I have to be careful how I drive my car I have to be careful around women, or that I fill in my tax forms correctly etc. because in all these areas I can sin.
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    We're not talking about things like the former.
    Sin's sin.

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