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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Again I mentioned earlier that there are perhaps 3B people currently alive in places where the Gospel is not preached at all, at all. An a lot of those in places where the Gospel is preached (e.g. USA and Oz) will never hear it either.

    You sound like you think God owes man something FT. God OWNS man, God OWES him nothing, and can do with him what He wants.

    If that's true, then God is unjust and He is a liar....

    It would not be just for God to send someone to hell without them having opportunity to call upon Him.

    Go check your Bible and find where the Lord said that man is without excuse and even nature testifies of Him and get back with me.

    Surly these two scripture references are not lies... are they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farm Truck View Post
    Surly these two scripture references are not lies... are they?
    They sure ain't.

    But that's got nothing to do with God being able to do with you whatever he wants FT

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    God who is just (as you tell us) hasn't a problem with that.

    Again I mentioned earlier that there are perhaps 3B people currently alive in places where the Gospel is not preached at all, at all. An a lot of those in places where the Gospel is preached (e.g. USA and Oz) will never hear it either.

    You sound like you think God owes man something FT. God OWNS man, God OWES him nothing, and can do with him what He wants.
    And what He wants is that none should perish, but that all would come to repentance and a saving knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    (I got that notion from reading His Word)

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    And what He wants is that none should perish, but that all would come to repentance and a saving knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    (I got that notion from reading His Word)
    Yes and it is quiet understandable that someone would get that notion from reading the Bible.

    The son was involved in a not-his-fault car accident recently and insurance covered the repairs. Now cars on the road have to be "road worthy" as defined by the RMS so insurance companies point out in the fine print that the insurance doesn't cover a non road-worthy car. Makes sense, but annoys the <1% of people who get caught by it. It's not on the front page of the policy like $ coverage and price and cover dates (which everyone needs to know) but in the back for the few.

    So the Bible has some stuff in it as well that a lot of people don't see as they don't see it as relevant at the time.

    Like God creating the world and deciding to create man. That gives Him total authority over all men individually. So we see Pharoah raised up (and destroyed along with his people) to display God's glory.
    We see God's promise to Abrahan limited to one son and then again limited to one grandson.
    We see God say that if He wants to make one vessel for honour and another for dishonour then He can.
    We see that the wicked were made for the day of judgement.

    Back to Abraham. The North American Indians and Australian Aboriginals had knowledge of God because the flood is in their creation legends. But did God choose to send the saviour through them? Nope, it was maybe 2,500 years before any Christians got to the Americas and another 100+ years before they got to Australia. How could they be saved then? And God could do it, with Him nothing is impossible.

    And what about Israel whom He says He chose because He loved them? They were sent into slavery till the nations where He was going to have them live were wicked enough to be punished (great being a slave because someone else wasn't bad enough), but those nations got wiped out, did they get a chance to be saved?

    And there were places where Paul wanted to preach and God wouldn't let Him. How were they to be saved?

    I'm thinking here and seeing the Bible as a book written by God about His people for His people. The Gospel is foolishness to those being lost and spiritual things have to be spiritually appraised so the world doesn't (can't) understand the Bible. Has implications that does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    They sure ain't.

    But that's got nothing to do with God being able to do with you whatever he wants FT
    God is going to do what He promised to do... and it's up to me to be either in agreement with Him, or not be in agreement with Him.

    God cannot just do whatever He wants to do... because it's impossible for Him to lie, therefore He will watch over His Word to perform it.

    He's looking for those that come into agreement with Him.

    And... God is just, so He must bring forth opportunity for salvation because it would be unjust for someone to go to hell without having opportunity be saved due to the actions of Adam.

    In other words, Adam caused all to be born in to sin... and that's not just or fair, and this is why Jesus Christ was slain before the foundation of the world because God had foreknowledge that Adam was going to screw up.

    ... you should already know this.

    When God says He is just, that means He is fair...

    Oh and, the Jews were not just sent in to slavery... they ended up there by not being obedient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Yes and it is quiet understandable that someone would get that notion from reading the Bible.

    The son was involved in a not-his-fault car accident recently and insurance covered the repairs. Now cars on the road have to be "road worthy" as defined by the RMS so insurance companies point out in the fine print that the insurance doesn't cover a non road-worthy car. Makes sense, but annoys the <1% of people who get caught by it. It's not on the front page of the policy like $ coverage and price and cover dates (which everyone needs to know) but in the back for the few.

    So the Bible has some stuff in it as well that a lot of people don't see as they don't see it as relevant at the time.

    Like God creating the world and deciding to create man. That gives Him total authority over all men individually. So we see Pharoah raised up (and destroyed along with his people) to display God's glory.
    We see God's promise to Abrahan limited to one son and then again limited to one grandson.
    We see God say that if He wants to make one vessel for honour and another for dishonour then He can.
    We see that the wicked were made for the day of judgement.

    Back to Abraham. The North American Indians and Australian Aboriginals had knowledge of God because the flood is in their creation legends. But did God choose to send the saviour through them? Nope, it was maybe 2,500 years before any Christians got to the Americas and another 100+ years before they got to Australia. How could they be saved then? And God could do it, with Him nothing is impossible.

    And what about Israel whom He says He chose because He loved them? They were sent into slavery till the nations where He was going to have them live were wicked enough to be punished (great being a slave because someone else wasn't bad enough), but those nations got wiped out, did they get a chance to be saved?

    And there were places where Paul wanted to preach and God wouldn't let Him. How were they to be saved?

    I'm thinking here and seeing the Bible as a book written by God about His people for His people. The Gospel is foolishness to those being lost and spiritual things have to be spiritually appraised so the world doesn't (can't) understand the Bible. Has implications that does.
    You really don't know if God sent missionaries to these peoples. If He could transport Philip by the Spirit to a town about 8 miles away from where he had just baptized the Ethiopian, He could have also transported others to anywhere He wanted to. He is God.

    Whom He predestined is "All who call upon the Lord".

    The gift of salvation was paid for by the blood of Jesus Christ for all men.

    "In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality, But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him."


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