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    Forgive absolutely everyone ?

    There are scriptures that talk about forgiving those who ask for forgiveness but this one says something different :

    Mark 11:20 Now in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots. 21 And Peter, remembering, said to Him, "Rabbi, look! The fig tree which You cursed has withered away."
    22 So Jesus answered and said to them, "Have faith in God. 23 For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be removed and be cast into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that those things he says will be done, he will have whatever he says. 24 Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.
    25 "And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses. 26 But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses."

    Verse 25 is connected to the previous verses by the word "and". Verse 24 talks about asking in faith when praying, the next verse talks about forgiving people before attempting to ask in faith. But in this verse there is no mention of people asking to be forgiven, only the fact that there is someone whom we have something against and whom we need to forgive from our hearts.

    Does that mean forgive as in forget ? If someone has done us wrong and is still intent on doing us more wrong, should we pretend that that is not the case, befriend the person, take down our defenses and let them do what they want ? It doesn't mean that. Trust is earned. But forgiveness starts at a more fundamental level in the heart where we release the trespasser from our need for revenge and to God's justice, which could include the justice of society. Having done that, it is easier for restoration to happen when someone does ask for forgiveness with genuine intentions. Restoration doesn't necessarily mean a renewed friendship or relation but it does mean that things can be put to rest.

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    Forgiveness is one thing. I can forgive a fox for killing one of my chickens but I certainly won't let him hang out at my chicken coop.

    When I counsel women who have been in abusive relationships I tell them to forgive the abuser but love him from a long distance. I personally seen the devastating results of women who decided to stay with an unrepentant (or falsely repentant) man.

    I forgive everyone who hurts me immediately (and hope that those I hurt forgive me immediately) but some who do it to me consistently certainly lose my trust. I refuse to allow the devil to put animosity in my heart towards anyone. At the same time I am not going to allow a person a position in my life that gives them the ability to continue doing what they have done.
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    Good word VW, taking the high road necessitates getting off the low road. Forgive (high road), depart (stay off the low road).

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    I know a lady whose husband was gay, but proclaimed that he had been delivered, and that she was required by God to forgive him and take him back. She didn't agree. She forgave him, but she won't allow him back into her life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lista View Post
    I know a lady whose husband was gay, but proclaimed that he had been delivered, and that she was required by God to forgive him and take him back. She didn't agree. She forgave him, but she won't allow him back into her life.
    She didn't agree with God? Or someone was telling her that God required her to take him back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by A.J. View Post
    She didn't agree with God? Or someone was telling her that God required her to take him back?
    no...the husband was telling her that God required her to forgive and take him back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lista View Post
    no...the husband was telling her that God required her to forgive and take him back.


    lol .... ok ....... gotcha. Don't know why I didn't get that when I read it the first time... and second time. Makes sense now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lista View Post
    I know a lady whose husband was gay, but proclaimed that he had been delivered, and that she was required by God to forgive him and take him back. She didn't agree. She forgave him, but she won't allow him back into her life.
    I don't blame her one bit. Unless she has a sure word from Holy Spirit, she should run for the hills.
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