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    I still believe this verse. It has been true in my life, for sure. Let's pretend for a minute that Romans 8:28 isn't even in the Bible. Don't you think it would be a true sermon that teaches that all things that come into a godly person's life work together for their good? I think it's God's truth to encourage people to trust God through hard times, expecting a good end. I love the saying you've probably heard (attributed to John Lennon, but is nonetheless true): "Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end." That too has been my experience.

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    The translation FunfromOz quoted is clearer than the KJV.

    Everything in the kingdom of God is available by faith. The devil doesn't cause all things to work together for good and men don't but God does. Verse 28 is connected to 29 by the word "for". And all the way to 31-32 where God is said to be for us rather than against us and will give us all things. That is the result of walking in faith in God according to his promises. Christians don't automatically do that so God isn't necessarily allowed to work all things together for good in their lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    I still believe this verse. It has been true in my life, for sure. Let's pretend for a minute that Romans 8:28 isn't even in the Bible. Don't you think it would be a true sermon that teaches that all things that come into a godly person's life work together for their good? I think it's God's truth to encourage people to trust God through hard times, expecting a good end. I love the saying you've probably heard (attributed to John Lennon, but is nonetheless true): “Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end.” That too has been my experience.
    You still believe this verse although the implied meaning is taken out of context ?Without the prayer of intrecession the good that God plans for us may not happen. God's good is not an automatic thing. Another place Paul says good may happen to him if people pray? What are the outcomes that could be changed if we listened to God and prayed? If we did pray we would not blame atrocious circumstances on Him using this verse. Phillipans 1:19 I know that as you pray for me and the Spirit of Jesus Christ helps me, this will lead to my deliverance. Paul said his own deliverance was tied to prayers !!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    Without the prayer of intrecession the good that God plans for us may not happen. God's good is not an automatic thing. Another place Paul says good may happen to him if people pray? What are the outcomes that could be changed if we listened to God and prayed? If we did pray we would not blame atrocious circumstances on Him using this verse. Phillipans 1:19 I know that as you pray for me and the Spirit of Jesus Christ helps me, this will lead to my deliverance. Paul said his own deliverance was tied to prayers !!!!
    James 1:6 But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind.
    7 For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord;
    8 he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.

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    I taught the truth about this verse a few years ago:

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    I also deal with the passage (and Genesis 50:20) in this book:
    https://www.amazon.com/Untying-Gods-...0061861&sr=1-1

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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    I taught the truth about this verse a few years ago:
    Tried to listen but it went "funny", just a black screen, no sound.

    Glad you taught the truth though and weren't "just paragraphing (your) pre-determined theology" (as feugo said), but heard enough to hear you talking about some people taking this verse fatalistically (as Islam is taken) and you might (incorrectly) think that way if you read the King Jim's "we know that all things work together for good to them that love God" but the correct reading from the NIV / NASB is "And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him" / "And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God".

    All things aren't necessarily good. I remember once accidentally putting some water in a shortbread mixture my Mum has left in the sink. That wasn't good, but my Mum being a superb cook sorted it out and once again we enjoyed fantastic shortbread biscuits. I've got a bit going on in my life at the moment, and even if they're expected things they're not (by definition) "good", but God can use them to do me good, e.g. teach me something. Those things "work for good" for me because God causes them to.

    But to whom does this verse apply? A couple of people have mentioned "context" so let's not ignore the verse itself; it says "to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose". So if you love God, are called according to His purpose then it applies to you.

    And just because people can be so "now" centered Paul tells us the ultimate good we get telling us that "For whom he did foreknow (foreloved), he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did (foreknow and) predestinate, them he also called: and whom he (foreknew and predestinated and) called, them he also justified: and whom (he foreknew and predestinated and called and justified) he also glorified". Then later Paul tells us that nothing that has been created can seperate us from the love of God.

    Certainly a verse not to get fatalistic about, one instead to rejoice in, that no matter what happens God will work it for my good, ultimately resulting in me being glorified and in heaven with Him forever.

    Oh the greatness of God's love for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    You still believe this verse although the implied meaning is taken out of context ?Without the prayer of intrecession the good that God plans for us may not happen. God's good is not an automatic thing. Another place Paul says good may happen to him if people pray? What are the outcomes that could be changed if we listened to God and prayed? If we did pray we would not blame atrocious circumstances on Him using this verse. Phillipans 1:19 I know that as you pray for me and the Spirit of Jesus Christ helps me, this will lead to my deliverance. Paul said his own deliverance was tied to prayers !!!!


    A godly person walks in faith. Faith in God and His plan will overcome any obstacle and will even cause adversity to work in favor of the believer. The enemy has no power to thwart the believer walking in faith. All things will indeed work for his or her good.

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    Going down a different track but still relevant .....it's a wonderful scripture but Christians should be careful to not use it as a cliche after a someone suffers a terrible tragedy. There is the right time to use it to minister to someone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    it's a wonderful scripture but Christians should be careful to not use it as a cliche after a someone suffers a terrible tragedy.
    Totally agree, had to cringe recently when a relative said something like "things happen for a reason" to another relative.

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